Heay mate looking back at my pic it roughly works out about 50mm to high! and i think my original eliminator is similar to yours.
Also Don the Motercycle Copper didn,t say anything about this later photo he saw ?????????????????????????????

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/8/2013 @ 11:20 PM *

Martin 61 I had a look at the ebay one that you have fitted, the reason I went with the Muzzy one is that it uses the original tail light assy, & with the reflector added to the bottom of the plate I beleive it almost looks original. I guess only time will tell.
If I hadn't been so lazy I would have fabricated my own. There really isn't much to them Bean!

Neil

There really isn't much to them Bean!

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/8/2013 @ 11:25 PM *

By Trade im a boilermaker/welder that,s why i made my own rack ! remember you told me where they attach at the rear on our 14R

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/8/2013 @ 11:33 PM *

I remembered (i'm one also) should be a peice of you know what to fab! Do you want some better pictures of the Muzzy one???

Neil

Bean here is a better picture.

Another from the rear, black on black doesn't work very well.

If you need more info I can take measurements if you want.

Neil

* Last updated by: Neilp on 1/8/2013 @ 11:57 PM *

Why not mate Heay do ya know if it,s 100mm down to the top of the plt ? im guessing that would be close to the specs the cops check like ya said mate

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/8/2013 @ 11:46 PM *

There was some info on another Australian forum last year, I'll see if I can find it!

Neil

OnYA

Here you go Bean, its in there somewhere!

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/adr_online.aspx

Good luck (seem to recall it had something to do with section 42)

Found it for ya! Look at section 14.3.3.1. So it is an Australian wide rule, just not enforced except locally!

14. WHEEL GUARDS (MUDGUARDS)

14.1. Wheel Guards for Passenger Cars (MA) Vehicles Only

14.1.1. General Requirements

The vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of the bodywork, mudguards, etc) which must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

14.1.2. Special Requirements

14.1.2.1. The wheel guards must meet the following requirements when the wheels are in the straight ahead position:

14.1.2.1.1. in the part formed by radial planes at an angle of 30 degrees to the front and 50 degrees to the rear of the centre of the wheel (see Figure 1), the overall width (q) of the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the tyre ‘Section Width’ (b) of the tyres fitted to the vehicle taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel combination as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;

14.1.2.1.2. the rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, Figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre;

14.1.2.1.3. the contour and location of the wheel guards must be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in clause 14.1.2.1, they must satisfy the following requirements:

14.1.2.1.3.1. the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in clause 14.1.2.1.1; and

14.1.2.1.3.2. the distance (c) between the lower edges of the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre of the wheels must not exceed 2r, ‘r’ being the ‘Static Loaded Tyre Radius’ of the tyre;

14.1.2.1.4. in the case of vehicles having adjustable suspension height, the above mentioned requirements must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running position specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;

14.1.2.1.5. the wheel guards may consist of several components, provided that no gaps exist between or within the individual parts when assembled; and

14.1.2.1.6. the wheel guards must be securely attached. However they may be detachable either as a unit or in parts.

14.2. Wheel Guards for Vehicles other than MA and L-group Vehicles

14.2.1. General Requirements

All wheels of a motor vehicle or trailer (including a ‘Prime Mover’ capable of operating without a ‘Semi-trailer’) must be provided with wheel guards which must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

14.2.2. Special Requirements

The wheel guards on the rearmost wheels on vehicles other than MA and L-Group vehicles must provide continuous protection between a point in area A and a point in area B in Figure 2, and must be provided for the ‘Overall Tyre Width’ of all tyres.

14.2.2.1. In the case of steerable wheels, the requirements of clause 14.2.2 must only apply when the wheels are in the straight-ahead position.

14.2.3. Wheel guards may consist of either permanent body structure or part structure and other components, including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is retained during vehicle operation.

14.2.4. Where 2 or more ‘Axles’ form an ‘Axle Group’, separate wheel guards may be provided for each rear wheel or a single wheel guard may be provided which provides continuous protection from area ‘A’ of the foremost wheel to area ‘B’ of the rearmost wheel in Figure 2.

14.2.5. Notwithstanding the requirements specified above the wheel guard including a mudflap (if fitted) need not be less than 230 mm from the ground for other than off-road vehicles, or 300 mm in the case of vehicles designed for off-road operation.

14.2.6. The requirements of this part does not apply to any vehicle the construction or use of which is such that, in the opinion of the ‘Administrator’ it is unnecessary or impracticable to provide a wheel guard(s).

14.3. Wheel Guards for L-Group Vehicles

14.3.1. Wheel guards may consist of either permanent body structure or part structure and other components, including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is retained during vehicle operation.

14.3.2. General Requirements

The wheels of a vehicle and the wheel of a side-car must be fitted with wheel guards of width not less than the ‘Section Width’ of the tyre. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

14.3.3. Special Requirements

14.3.3.1. Rear ‘Axle’ and Side-car

The wheel guard provided for the rear wheel and for the wheel of any side-car must extend not less than from a point vertically above the foremost part of the wheel rearward to a point not higher than the intersection of the arc of the wheel guard with a line through the centre of the wheel at 45 degrees to a horizontal plane through the centre of the wheel when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in the saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.

14.3.3.2. Front ‘Axle’

Where a wheel guard(s) is provided for the front ‘Axle’, it must extend not less than from a point vertically above the centre of the wheel rearward to a point not higher than the centre of the wheel or to the point where suitable protection is afforded by the frame or other construction of the vehicle when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in the saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.

14.4. Visibility of Wheel Guards (Certain Vehicles)

Except when ‘Rear Marking Plates’ are fitted, for every rear wheel guard affixed to a motor vehicle, or trailer which is 2.2 m or more in ‘Overall Width’ and which has a body of the tray type, that portion of the external surface of such wheel guard which is visible to the rear of such vehicle must be white or silver in colour and clearly visible.

14.5 Wheel Guards for MB, MC, MD1, MD2, MD3, NA and NB1 Category vehicles must comply with Clause 14.1 or Clause 14.2.

Neil

* Last updated by: Neilp on 1/9/2013 @ 12:30 AM *

Bean from the centre bolt that holds the existing fender on to bottom of my reflector it is 150mm measured vertically.
I have just checked with a 45 degree set square, & according to the ADR rules mine does comply. But you must have a rear facing reflector, I think that is were most are going wrong!

Neil

Tar Neil i,ve just sent a pm to Don the motorcycle copper then i,ll know forsure what,s expected with the rules (SA)

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/9/2013 @ 2:24 AM *

So far he sent me this Neil

01-09-2013, 08:51 PM
Duck00
Senior Member

From: South Australia
Joined: Aug 2002

I Ride: ZX12R A1

Posts: 765
Re: Fender eliminator question
Quote:
Originally Posted by bean07
Don can you tell me what the LAW itself states in reguards to this you know i had one on my OFF! so please as a bro can they be changed or Not? my QLD ZX14R mate recons ADR complience said 45 degrees from the axle nut on the rear swingarm if their is some leaway i would think about doing it to my 14R on the same token if not!I won,t
Mate, firstly, I'll say that I will get the official answer to you when I'm next on (tomorrow) and I can ask the traffic gurus. My take on it is that basically no modification can be made that alters the OEM setting of a bike/car. This includes the distance between the indicators!

It can be up to the discretion of the officer you come across (results may vary!!) If I can word it that way.

Will let you know,

Cheers, Don.

Here ya go Neil

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From: South Australia
Joined: Aug 2002

I Ride: ZX12R A1

Posts: 769
Re: Fender eliminator question
This is a direct copy/paste from motor-reg S.A. site:

Number plate position
You are required to display a number plate on the rear of your motorcycle only. The number plate must be positioned so it is clearly visible at all angles.

It is not acceptable to mount a number plate alongside the rear wheel. The plate must be mounted so that the bottom edge of the plate is at least 300 mm above ground level and positioned so that every figure and letter of the registration number is upright.

Mudguards
A motorcycle must be fitted with a front and rear mudguard that will catch and deflect downward any stones, mud, water etc which may be thrown up by the wheels.

The rear mudguard must intersect a line drawn upwards at 45 degrees from a horizontal line drawn through the rear axle of the vehicle, with 45kg placed on the seat.

If your motorcycle is fitted with a sidecar, the sidecar wheel must also fitted with an effective mudguard.

Now, as far as Police go, it depends on what the officer is aware of when checking for defects etc on vehicles. If they have done there homework they will know how to check for specifications on a vehicle, BUT, it is only necessary for the officer to have a belief that a defect or modification exists to defect a vehicle so the vehicle can be checked by vehicle inspection section if necessary.

I hope this clears it up a bit. As one of the other blokes on the forum states in his posts; Your results may vary!

Made some ajustments to the "Rated R" fender eliminator I had put on so it takes the standard light & reflector.
Hopefully the local constabulary will leave me alone.

Hopefully the local constabulary will leave me alone.

* Last updated by: bean07 on 1/20/2013 @ 1:19 AM *

"your cans mate can ya tell us a bit about them"

Hi there bean07
They are Leo Vince EVO2 slip ons, treated myself for christmas

* Last updated by: martin61 on 1/20/2013 @ 1:37 AM *

Had leovince on my former ZX14 mate if ya dont mind where did you get them from ???? by the way They look really good on ya bike mate

I got them from "superbike toy store" in the USA $1044 + $70 shipping.
Arrived within 2 weeks

http://www.superbiketoystore.com/sportbike/Exhausts-Air-Filters/Exhaust/Leo-Vince-Exhaust/Leo-Vince-EVOII-Factory-R-Slip-On-Exhaust-System-Kawasaki-ZX14R-2012-2013-/prod_25075.html

Got quotes from around Aust but the cheapest was $1650 + shipping from Syd.

Very happy with em

Well I reckon thats what i will go for just have to save my pennies lol

Very happy with em

Martin61 fender looks good, how long did it take to do all that?
I think the key factor here is to leave the reflector on, as that is what is missing on most fenderectomy's.

Neil

* Last updated by: Neilp on 1/20/2013 @ 2:01 AM *

Hi Neil,
Not to long mate about 4 hrs today.
I agree with leaving reflector on, looks a lot more stock.

Dave

I have to get 2 blanking plugs to complete my fenderectomy, as the Muzzy fender leaves 2 15mm holes where the original came off. So am thinking of some blank rubber grommets just to fill the holes, to stop water getting anywhere near my ECU & electrics.

Neil

* Last updated by: Neilp on 1/20/2013 @ 2:13 AM *

Yosh fender eliminator if anyone is interested

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And Hugger !