Rook wrote :

I've heard ethanol in gas reduces fuel economy. If Star Tron "digests" all of the ethanol, that would reduce the fuel in your tank by 10% (or at least makes it into something that doesn't burn). If you are going farther on 10% less, I'm convinced that stuff is doing something.

What makes you think that, Rook ? Where did the 10% figure come from? Just curious....

Oxygenated = More Air in a bottle in liquid form.

Same as NOS = Condensed oxygen ~ Laughing Gas.

"My gas mileage improved with more air to set off more [heat] energy with less gasoline."

Where did the 10% figure come from?

The labels on our gas pumps we have here say "contains up to 10% ethanol." I assume the content is close to 10%. If that ethanol is changed into something non-flamable by the enzyme additive, there is 10% less fuel in the tank.

I suppose the enzyme treatment may turn the ethanol into something that still burns but with less heat. IDK.

Rook; "If Star Tron "digests" all of the ethanol"

It doesn't "digest" the ethanol, it prevents it from separating from the gas. According to Star Brite,

"The problem is all alcohol’s are hygroscopic. That means it likes water, and it
attracts and couples with moisture in the air, resulting in greater amounts of
water collecting in the fuel tank. Since water is heavier than gasoline, the water
and ethanol mix settles to the bottom. This is referred to as “phase separation”,
and eventually the water/ethanol phase is drawn into the fuel delivery system. If
there is no water separator in the line, the water goes into the injector/carburetor
and the engine does not run properly. In extreme cases, the engine will stop
running. For automobiles, this is not a common problem in that an entire tank of
fuel will most likely be used up within one week, well before a water/ethanol build
up takes place. Also, automobiles have smaller gas tanks, leaving less air space
for condensation to accumulate. Boats usually do not use up their fuel for many
weeks, if not months, and their large gas tanks, when left low in fuel, readily form
condensation. This presents a problem for most boaters.
An additional problem boaters will face is loss of octane, which is critical to an
engine's performance. Ethanol is over 100+ octane, and provides the fuel with
much of its octane rating. Once water reaches about a .5% level, it will phase
separate. With the ethanol drawn to the bottom along with the water, the fuel will
lose octane, and this can cause a loss of performance, including pinging and
engine knock, which can damage your engine. It also severely worsens fuel
economy and power.
There are other problems with E-10 fuel. Ethanol is a powerful solvent and
readily breaks up tars and organic sediment found in many marine fuel tanks.
The ethanol/water mix also makes a potent stripping agent for old varnish and
gum accumulated from years of gasoline sitting in the tank. These organic
contaminants, once loosened from tank walls, can plug filters and injectors
quickly, disabling your boat’s engine. In cold weather, the water/alcohol phase
can also freeze, turning into a syrupy mix that plugs filters."

By the way, I've always had fuel problems with my Mitsu VR-4. If I don't drive it a lot, it starts stuttering/hesitating when I give it throttle. Put star tron in it early Dec., and just drove it the other day. It ran perfect!

Huh--thanks alg8er. Very intereseting.

Just saw another brand in Motorcyclist mag. Eastwood Fuel Guard has 2 types. One for daily drivers ($7.99), and one for long term storage ($9.99). treats up to 30 gal.

So you get to pay $2 more because you think its going to be different. /snicker

So what makes this stuff different from Stabil?

DogoZX; I've used Stabil for decades. It just doesn't seem to be cutting it anymore. I had Stabil in my snowblower gas, and in my car. Problems weren't corrected till I used StarTron. I don't know the difference in chemistry, but from Stabil's site;
"STA-BIL is recommended to be used AT EVERY FILL UP in all vehicles and equipment to protect against corrosion caused by today’s Ethanol-blended fuels." They don't have as much info, or as many claims as StarBrite.
I don't want to sound like a salesman. If you are doing fine on Stabil, I would say stick to the fuel you're buying. It seems like it's a location problem. I have friends and family that live about 50 miles from me, and have no fuel problems using Stabil. I've talked with 20 guys in my area, and they all have fuel problems even with Stabil. Snowblowers, motorcycles, chainsaws, etc... anything that sits awhile between uses. All I know is the problem was driving me nuts! I hate a rough running engine. In fact, if I had StarTron a few years ago, I'd probably still be riding my ZX11. It ran perfect till a couple years after I moved here.

I put Stabil in a big can of gas last April and last week filled the snowblower tank from it... And it started right away. Always fill the bike's tank to the slosh grate, add Stabil, ride around the block, and store it for the winter. Come Spring it runs great!

Thanks guys. I use Stabil when I winterize, but I have never run it in anything regularly.

I use Starbrite polishes, waxes, teak oil, and such on my boat because they are the best products I've tried, but I didn't even know that the made an ethanol treatment. May try it in my boat. The fuel system on that old marine 454 gave me hell last year. Had that f'n carb apart 6 times.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/11/2011 @ 3:14 PM *

hey guys research this a little, im thinking of trying it

http://www.syntekglobal.com/

privateer; Yep. That was my life too, till I moved 50 miles 10 years ago. After a couple years, I was having fuel problems with anything that sat unused for a month or more, even with Stabil. I was pulling the carbs off the ZX11 every couple years. I was winterizing just like you, except in the spring I'd drain the tank, and fill with fresh gas. By the end of the riding season, she'd be starting to stutter. Carb cleaner, Stabil, even half a tank of race gas didn't matter.

scottjkyl; It looks interesting, but after searching the web for 15 minutes, I couldn't find anyone selling it.

alger i can get you a link to a distributor if you want it

https://jeffo.gosyntek.com/shop/index.html?view=Products&Category=Products

* Last updated by: scottjkyl on 1/13/2011 @ 4:59 AM *

scottjkyl; click on commissions on that site. Pyramid scheme. Not that I would sell the stuff, I just don't trust a product only sold by that company.

They say that they are contemplating going 15%. At 10% it is 4% percent water. So 15% percent should be around maybe 6% water maybe...Just say no to corn!

Just saw a commercial yesterday, seems stabil has come out with an ethinol specific fuel treatment/stabilizer.

Haven't ordered any for myself yet, but I've heard nothing but GOOD things about Wynn's Powercharger for fuel system cleanout - per Brock and others that have used it, supposedly you can almost feel the gain after using this stuff!!

I've been reading up on the other "ethanol treatments", and they all claim to clean, remove water, prevent ethanol damage, increase fuel economy, increase power, etc..., but StarTron is the only one that specifically states that/how it prevents the separation that causes the fuel to sour. Maybe they all do the same thing, but I like a company that states how their product functions, not just the benefits of using it.

I use startron and I have no complaints. Use it with every fillup.
I use it for the same reason I use AMSOIL, performance and i'd rather spend a little more up front than a lot more later.

Anyone ever wonder if this stuff works so well, why don't they just put it in the gas in the first place and have a better fuel to sell?
I really have never analyzed what's going on with the fuel in my area I just know certain brands sell junk and a few have consistent results. Shell is the best bet here AFAIC. Speedway is a joke and that's why it's cheap. But apart from those general differences in gas I really don't see a point in obsessing over it too much. Every load a station gets in is different quality and there has even been proven to be differences between single pumps(tanks) at the same station.
If you don't stabilize your gas when you put you bike down for a season you're taking a chance which is easily avoidable IMO. But when I go through a tank every other day commuting to work in the prime of riding season, I am just not gonna be worried about measuring out a dose as I'm filling up and the rest of the group is idling waiting for me. Or maybe I'm reading this wrong?

Edgecrusher. I was thinking the same thing. You would think gas stations would want to preserve their product as long as possible. It always comes down to money. A gas station owner here in town says he makes more money on coffee than gas. Probably true, but is that on a per gallon basis, or net profits? I use StarTron in the gas can I use for the mower and the snowblower year round. The vehicles, only when I'm not driving them much.

I put StarTron in almost every tank-full on my ZX14. I might start using it on the mower and snowblower.

In fact, I'm sure the snowblower will run better with StarTron in it, so next winter I'll give it a try.