"Lotta guys dismiss a dyno chart but there is a lot that can be learned"...I'm a nobody...but even I get that.;)

Profound statement right here.."Dynos don't mean shit"....Honestly...that's about the most ignorant comment I've EVER heard...especially on a BIKE forum.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/8/2015 @ 1:01 PM *

From Moto 2 Rules :

"Engine performance will also be monitored by the supplier with a standardized dyno in similar conditions and must be with the set range agreed upon by the series organizer and Honda."

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"From Moto GP Rules :
Engine performance will also be monitored by the supplier with a standardized dyno in similar conditions and must be with the set range agreed upon by the series organizer and Honda."

I believe that's Moto 2 rules (600 class), not MotoGP.
If so, Honda supplies all engines in the class and in the interest of fairness, all must be equal.

Anyhow, I get your point and do agree with it...

Yes, you are right, Moto 2 Rules, momentary lapse of reason .... aka getting old HAHA

* Last updated by: carabuser on 9/8/2015 @ 4:13 PM *

Hub I don't know what the point of any further testing is for. Look at this thread. Might as well be posting that they drank folgers instead of that fancy name brand that morning and that's why it didn't hit 200 on the dyno, right?

"momentary lapse of reason .... aka getting old HAHA"

Pretty sure I'm leading into the first corner when it comes to getting older...:)

ram air negates almost everything a dyno tells you. If you get the afr right on the dyno, it's too lean on the street with ram air. If you increase hp by leaning out the afr on the dyno, you will be slower on the street because bike will be too lean with ram air. So what is the dyno telling you?

"Remember that you don't ride ( or race ) your bike on a dyno. People that absolutely depend on dyno numbers or AF ratios ON A DYNO are most likely gonna result in a real world slow bike and throttle response.
Our racebikes have been on a dyno to get a baseline setting to see where they are at, then when we are on the track, we measure split times, top speed and AF ratios and compare data.
A real tuner will tell you that there is no "good flat AF ratio". I tune for best power and while that number may vary from low 11's to high 13's and may not show great power on the dyno, what matters is how it performs on the road or track."

If you tune the bike to produce the highest top speed/most HP with ram air, you can then dyno the bike to check A-F ratio without ram air. From there, you know what A-F ratio on the dyno works best on the track.
Who did you quote, btw?

Bill Clinton: "It all depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is' is."

Al Gore on zoology: "A zebra does not change its spots."

Nancy Pelosi on legislation: "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Joe Biden on the economy: "The number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S."

VicThing: “There is no backlash against flashes. That's just bullshit.”

HanksZX; I agree, unfortunately guys are taking their flashed bike to the dyno, and saying "look at all this horsepower". IMO, not the way to do it. It should be "look how rich my bike is running on the dyno, and a little low on hp, but it rips on the street!"
Quote came from fuzzy at the bmw s1000rr forum

also found this

ram-air dyno

* Last updated by: alg8er on 9/10/2015 @ 2:00 AM *

I know a lot of guys don't get into the dyno number game , but I had my girl dyno'd at Brocks Performance and the guys just smiled and said nothing to do here but ride her , I wasn't sure if I needed a tune after getting the CBlast flash ( new to the zx world ) , and a full alien head exhaust that I installed , and it did great #'s in there eyes , so a shout out to sebastion again ,, 212hp 125 tq

How did you get lucky enough to get your bike dynoed at Brocks? Reason I ask is I tried seeing if I could bring my 2012 down as it was running very rich down low after installing the AH2 an map. Wasn't asking them to do it for free and they hadn't actually had a CA version on their dyno but I was turned down.

I pm'd you toledoUPSguy

Lmao it's funny to see how some things never change...oh hey Vick! Go eat a dick!

Think you meant drink a $*%#!

I know..I know. People that actually want information and not bullshit...whatevs!

"I know..I know. People that actually want information and not bullshit"...can ya help a brutha out?.

All depends on the brutha. I'll pose this to any bruthas. Here's the difference between information and bullshit.

Information -
Pre-modification acceleration test establishes base time.
You take your bike to a dyno, they establish your dyno baseline.
They tune your bike.
They give you your dyno numbers, you measure the difference.
You run a post tune acceleration test, establishing post tune time.
You measure the difference between the baseline time and the post tune time. Correlate dyno "improvements" to test results.
Live daily knowing whether or not your modification actually had a performance impact

Bullshit -
Get dyno results
Take picture to post on forum
Get wallet size copies made so you can show people
Frame dyno sheet and hang on wall
Live daily knowing your bike made 199.6 hp on a dyno
Live daily having no fucking clue as to whether or not your bike is really any faster (if that's the goal)
Sell bike and enjoy dyno sheet

I'm not much for quarter miles. But I wonder what the people down there in the 1/4 mile form think of dyno numbers vs. times?

But I wonder what the people down there in the 1/4 mile form think of dyno numbers vs. times?

There's people down there?

Living, posting, people?

"Information -
Pre-modification acceleration test establishes base time.
You take your bike to a dyno, they establish your dyno baseline.
They tune your bike.
They give you your dyno numbers, you measure the difference.
You run a post tune acceleration test, establishing post tune time.
You measure the difference between the baseline time and the post tune time. Correlate dyno "improvements" to test results.
Live daily knowing whether or not your modification actually had a performance impact"...

None of which you did.Whose bsing who here?You talk like you KNOW all the right things that should be done to establish credibility...yet you follow none of your own words and say "My ECU isn't any different".

Since you've ruled out 'butt dyno feelings'...do the footwork and get a dyno read...you have TWO ecu's...there ya are...before and after.The basic answer here to all this back and forth can so easily be resolved...but you don't WANT to do that.A cheapo dyno run...that's all you need to establish any change done to the ECU.You don't need a/f readings.You don't need tq readings.All you need to see is the accleration(power) graph and compare to your stock ECU.It's so damn obvious.Yet you keep 'bsing' here to disquise the REAL solution.It's on you.And you don't like that.Well...okay...stay where ya are then.Be pissed.

Why IS that?I'd want to know whether mine actually showed ANY difference if it didn't 'feel' different.Anyone would.The results would beyond a doubt resolve all this.Some here offered an option.You didn't want that.

Guess you're stuck then...with your disappointment and conclusion...which only you know what that is.But I suspect it's a bit more than..."My ecu feels or performs the same"...what you're REALLY saying is..."Cblast burned me".Rather than actually find out if that's true.You're so determined to be 'right' about your test...you've rejected anyone's options to actually SEE if your suspiscions are correct.Therefore...ALL your testing and hoopla holds NO credibility.You're guessing.

You say 'there's no difference'...prove it ON PAPER.Or accept and STFU about any of this relating to dynoing.

"I'm not much for quarter miles. But I wonder what the people down there in the 1/4 mile form think of dyno numbers vs. times?"...they depend on em...that's how they feel about em.For telling em what's working and why or why not.It's a TOOL.NOT a 'guarantee' of anything.A visual guide...how ignorant can someone be?Sheesh.

You think those PROS just say.."Hey,I need to be faster"...and some pitguy adds or subtracts some number arbitrarily 'hoping' he gets it right?Guesswork doesn't win races.Unless yer VERY...EXTREMELY lucky totally by chance.

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"You take your bike to a dyno, they establish your dyno baseline"
"Correlate dyno "improvements" to test results"..what for?The numbers don't mean anything.May as well do it yerself.
According to you...this is USELESS.

At least be consistent,will ya?Does it or doesn't it create(show) a starting point.And a 'tuning' approach.No wonder ya can't 'feel' a difference,yer brain aint firin on all 8 cylinders;)Perhaps someone should come over there and actually take yer bike out and do a bit of testing themselves.THEIR way.Not yours. .OMG..not THAT!You just might find out...your method was....FLAWED.SKEWED."faster"...thought you wanted grunt and pull?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/10/2015 @ 10:55 PM *

Vic, see that 13a kind of steady line? That's the maker/breaker line is the ECU you have. Only way to find out if you are just a bunch of radio clicks... Only your AFR meter knows for sure.

You guys do realize that any flasher can see the numbers put in by other flashers....right? So do you really think that CBlast is doing anything that any other flasher can't do? He's the only one with software, a computer, and magic numbers? I have a bridge I'd like to sell.... cheap.