I know there has been a lot of backlash towards ECU flashes lately and I hope this helps clear some of the air

Getting straight to the point my bike is a 2012 zx14r mods include - full alien head 2, PC-V, BMC race filter, C-blast flash. BRAND NEW FILTER, BRAND NEW PLUGS

I got the bike dyno'd at Washington Cycle Works in N.J. HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

I told the tuners my mod's and my expectations (hoping to make 200 at the wheel). When I told him the bike was flashed he kind of smirked as if he had dealt with flashed bikes before, which he has, and wasn't a (pro flash) tuner you could tell. He said he has seen bad flashes, and good flashes, flashes that do nothing, and then he came across a C-Blast flash.

First dyno pull 197.**
Second dyno pull 198.**

Last dyno pull 199.6 114 tq

Wasn't quite what I wanted but hey, close enough.

More importantly after the VERY FIRST PULL the tuners looked at each other, smiled, then gave me a thumb's up. "Our work here is done," they said. I said "I'm so close to 200! we gotta keep trying." They replied, "we'll keep trying for your 200, but tuning wise there's nothing we can do to the bike. The tune on this bike is perfect, it's what we as tuners strive for. It would be robbery for us to change any parameters on a already perfectly smooth tune and charge you for it. Call your tuner and thank him."

Enough said.

P.S.

Washington Cycle Works were great guys. After about 5 pulls the bike constantly put down around 198 with a highest of 199.6. They were holding up fans, even tried firing up an old leaf blower to jam into the ram air to get that extra .4 HP. They love what they do and it shows in their customer relations and quality of work. The owner even invited me back for a free dyno in October when it's a little cooler to squeeze out that extra bit of HP as is it was mid 70's when I dyno'd AT sea level. The cooler air plus ceramic wheel bearings I ordered should do the trick to put me comfortably over 200.

* Last updated by: 2012smurf on 9/7/2015 @ 12:00 PM *

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Lets see the upper right corner of the chart...looking for smoothing and correction factor.
BTW, I've used Washington Cycle in the past and always thought they were very competent and fair.
Question, why a PC-5 with the flash? Was it in line and working?

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This whole post reeks of bullshit. Backlash against ECU flashes? Bullshit. The backlash is against dyno bullshit, which you're whole point is based on.

Bike has a dynojet quickshifter and needed a PC-V for it.

You guys can assume whatever the fuck you want.

Washington Cycle Works
5 NJ-31, Washington, NJ 07882
(908) 835-0043

The owner couldn't have possibly forgotten my BLUE zx14r with carbon fiber all over it. If you say "the kid trying to hit 200" they'll undoubtedly remember. Ask him yourself....

I wasn't going to make this post as you can tell I don't post much.....I called Sebastian myself and told him how great the results were and he was extremely grateful. Thank'd him for saving me money on my dyno tune as my bike didn't need one. Flash paid for itself.

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Victhing,

Please just go away, fade away, disappear from this board, do the rest of us a favor and take your negativity and crap somewhere else

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Over 199. Nice!

Had they loosened the straps a little or lubed your chain you might have hit 200.

from what I understand very small aspects can make a difference

But close enough. Congratulations. It'd be nice to be able to proudly state to friends that your bike puts out them numbers

Hey 2012 Smurf, I'm not assuming anything,,,
Washington Cycle has always been a stand up shop as I stated..
Thanks for your answer on the PC-5 but the obvious question is did it have a map in it or were any of the settings richened or leaned? I don't have a dog in this fight but want clarity...that's the only reason I asked.
Lastly, what was the correction factor and what was the smoothing used?
Yes, it makes a difference and yes, it should be part of this post.
Does Washington Cycle still have their old DJ 150 with the manual weather station which requires all data to be input? It's been years since I used them which is the reason I asked about the dyno.
You oughta realize if you post dyno stuff, guys that have lots of time on dynoes need all the fine print to decipher whats going on...for example: There can be a 4% variation between SAE and STD and there can be a few horsepower difference between #5 smoothing and number #1....
What did the A-F look like?

* Last updated by: HanksZX on 9/7/2015 @ 5:11 PM *

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There is no backlash against flashes. That's just bullshit. The backlash is whether or not a flash actually affects the rate at which the engine accelerates the motorcycle. You have no baseline, you only have an "after". You have no idea how much your actual increases were and from what.

So congrats on the 200 hp mark since that's the single most important thing to you.

I'm with Maverick and Rudy

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Vic... you're so bitter dude! We get it, you don't like flashes... ok...
Your entire test was a bunch of BS anyway, measuring a small range of the bike's performance. Very limited test. Meaningless really. Then you go railing against dyno results again... smh.

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* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/7/2015 @ 7:53 PM *

smurf

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there sure seems to be some serious personal dislike (hatred even)for VicThing. Why make it personal??? I don't know him from Adam so I have nothing personal in this. Some of his posts seem informative and some seem like an invitation to internet arguments. But this one doesn't seem like a fight. What he says is true, a dyno sheet by itself means nothing. a dyno is a tool to show change or can be used to inflate one's ego. Without a before what does a dyno sheet show about Cblast's flash? Absolutely nothing, that's what. Someone else asked to have the OP show what scale it was done in, nobody is jumping on him. Why not, well maybe cause you don't hate him like you do Vic.

There was a bunch of anger towards Vic before his Cblast flash test, after it has gotten stupid. Many seem to deride and ridicule him for his test but overlook the fact Ivan said it was a valid test.

OK, you can start hating me too now.

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Ivan's approval of the so called "test" means nothing. You don't think that just maybe Ivan might have a tiny bit of motive to agree with a "test" that supposedly discredits a competitor? Hmm....

And let's not pretend that Vic is the victim here. He jumps in and is literally throwing bullshit around in his first post on the thread. Literally... Read the post.

This whole post reeks of bullshit. Backlash against ECU flashes? Bullshit. The backlash is against dyno bullshit, which you're whole point is based on.

Maverick, Rudy, Nasty Notch, aranger, Green, Wolf....
plus one here!

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"the VERY FIRST PULL the tuners looked at each other, smiled, then gave me a thumb's up. "Our work here is done," they said. I said "I'm so close to 200! we gotta keep trying." They replied, "we'll keep trying for your 200, but tuning wise there's nothing we can do to the bike. The tune on this bike is perfect"

These guys tune for a living, so they must have seen something to say this ....

And I respect Ivans tuning abilities, but this test is susceptible to variations, thus it cannot be
100% accurate, and it is not a complete test throughout the power curve of band, so again, it is not
a complete test, all we have is a dyno, thats what all the manufactures use, don't you think they
would be using this "new" test if it was accurate and could measure performance ? I mean really, these
are multi-millon dollar operations, common sense needs to ring in here ...

One thing you need to understand about C, he is a Marine, he doesnt like BS, sometimes he goes off, and
he has told me at times, maybe I shouldn't have done that, but if you talk to him as much as some of us have,
you will understand he is a good guy, I know the hours he put into his flash, believe it or not, its the truth.

I havet been on the boards that long, but I really liked this board Until recently, hopefully, we can get back to
where we were, there had been ALOT of BS on here lately though. thats all, ride safe all

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I don't hate anyone
that's not what people are saying. It's the classless (lack) of Respect that is being shown. Good on smurf for not lowering himself to insults.
That's all.
I tend to agree + 2
Hope this clarifies.
It's not the person it's the posts and attitude shown by the person that is getting old.

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 9/8/2015 @ 3:45 AM *

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I don't hate anyone here.

I agree. Hate is a strong word that I don't take lightly.

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Vic... We get it, you don't like flashes.

Oh boy, a processing thread. Vic, of all pee holes, you're a programmer for fuksakes! The dyno is a tool, the ass is a tool down the 1320. What are you actually doing? Are you not changing a frequency pull of the magnetic field, right? Didn't you turn up the radio dial? The parts on the motherboard didn't change, just the tone frequency. Leave Officer Ohm and his handcuffing to do the rest.

I use earphones and rode your bike via ears/eyes. There is something going on there, Vic. Tone wise, don't you feel a change at this 4,200 rpm? Your editing showing the back to back flash-ECU, and I watched the same 4,200 frequency change; you either assfactor that in, yes you do, or no, you never felt a code hit from your ass to throttle to head and lookey there, tone, plus burn/wire pull, equals a limp sort of low end [torque] frequency change.

I'll take, 'Silence For Yes' for 400 dollars, Alex.

Your entire test was a bunch of BS... a small range... limited... Meaningless... Then you go railing against dyno results.

I gave props to Vic and still do. You gotta admit, Vic... those were field runs and it sure looks like your numbers show something. Whats with the 4,200 rev frequency ear squeak? That has to equal assfactor, yes? If I were to guess with my ears and pixel screen: I hear tone. I could be 100% wrong, Vic... Only a mailbox away knows for sure.

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HanksZX - did it have a map in it or were any of the settings richened or leaned?

No map other than the adjustments that came with the C-blast flash. When I originally put the Full brocks on I had a PC-V and put brocks map on it. After I sent my ECU to get flashed I cleared my PC-V and now it's just used for my quick shifter. Not sure what type of dyno it was, dynograph was SAE and corrected. Sorry if I sound like an idiot I don't know anything about tuning. Uncorrected it made over 200.

I'm sure throwing up a dyno sheet isn't hardly enough information, when I get home i'll see if I can get a better picture with any corrections made, even tho there weren't any to post.

The point was to show you guys that I had a stock bike - put full exhaust, flash, pc-v with NO MAP, and BMC filter. Took it to a tuner and the tuner had nothing to do but tell me how smooth it already was. I wanted to give Sebastian the credit he deserved. Any other factors are up for speculation, but that is what happened whether you believe it or not. The tuners tried making minor adjustments for the sake of hitting 200 but no dice.

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ZX14MAN64 - Thanks. I'm very happy with it. We tried a few different things but it didn't work out. At the end of the day they were there to tune and with nothing to tune I didn't want to take up their time hitting a magic number. He offered me a free dynotune in October to hit 200 which I thought was really nice and unnecessary.

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Smurf, thanks for the answers.
SAE is what most guys generally use as reference.
Smoothing is usually set to 5 as it eliminates the momentary peaks seen on some charts.
Glad u clarified about the PC-5 as that is eliminated and your results are ecu derived.
Lotta guys dismiss a dyno chart but there is a lot that can be learned, especially when an air-fuel chart is included. You also can draw conclusions from smoothness of the curves, area below the curve, etc. I prefer to see a succession of runs on 1 chart with tuning variations resulting from the changes. It gives an idea of improvements.
It can take quite a bit of work to tune a bike so its smooth and responsive on the road...peak HP and tq is just 1 part of a good chart.
Enjoy the ride...Hank

* Last updated by: HanksZX on 9/8/2015 @ 12:23 PM *

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