The speedo does sweep then no worky. Tbe clock and tach looks to be all that works. Plus, how would a new ECU not at least start from stock settings? I'll just have to wait to see what the stock sprocket and size rear tire do. That's what Kawy warranty told them to do. So, if Kawy warranty has some knowledge that the gearing could be the problem why the f wasn't that the 1st thing to check out, not the last resort.?

* Last updated by: ominousone on 9/14/2018 @ 11:57 AM *

So, if Kawy warranty has some knowledge that the gearing could be the problem why the f wasn't that the 1st thing to check out, not the last resort.?

Conspiracy theory: Cuz there's less money in solving a problem quickly?

I went down a tooth on my front sprocket and my bike did not like it at all. All kinds of jerking and sputtering in the first two years at part throttle. 3-6 were fine and 1-2 was fine with generous throttle.There were no other problems associated with it though;just the stuttering. Went back to stock and all was well.

Rest assured your problem isn’t gearing related at all.

* Last updated by: Nastynotch on 9/14/2018 @ 1:13 PM *

'The speedo does sweep then no worky'...hmmm.Hub should know this.With that symptom,it does sound kinda ECU related.IDK if the meter assembly has a seperate like circuit in it to read speed.If it does,then I say meter assembly malfunctioning.I'm just guessing.If it wasn't sweeping,I'd go with ECU.Unless there's some sort of relay or something in the line?It aint a fuse.????

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/14/2018 @ 1:59 PM *

The speedo cluster has IC's in it to handle data coming direct from sensors. Not everything goes into the ECU. Surprised the Stealership didn't replace the speedo cluster after throwing a new ECU at the problem

Okay then...good to know.Thanks Crude;)Did they already do an ECU swap?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/14/2018 @ 2:00 PM *

It really sounds like a meter assembly got shorted in the rain...??

Could there be something partially blocking the front wheel ABS sensor? ie that little ring with the slots in it that I think the sensor constantly counts as it rotates? There must be an "eye" or some such that constantly counts the revolutions over time to know its speed. What if that "eye" was partially or fully blocked.

Or maybe at the rear wheel instead.

I dunno. I'm just thinkin'.

I believe it's magnetic.They say don't paint the ring.Something could be in the way of the sensor though.Good point.

This is an R bike with 02... being my guess you are under warranty and low and behold, keyfobbing motherfucking this bike to clear the codes. Join the club. A. Could be the processor is programmed forced to do it. B. Lets fuck with our buyers and show them who's boss you mess with the design. This is a closed looped, stop fiddlefucking with the inputs is how its put to the test.

So every time you jolt the timing of the signal going out of phase and oh look, the motherboard has this calc-recalc-calc to output, you put the phase back in play and you just fob'd the clear dashit!

Multi key interference is more the theft device in the non-western models... something like, KKTD (kawi kan't touch dis)

There are these orange colored kind of prophylactic booty covers strung thru the wire. These are now lodged inside the back of the connector housing. These are called weatherpac. Used in the car industry when the computer and rain had to be addressed. There are long (orange)oval rubber gaskets that seal off the pins to the ECU. These are located inside the ECU connectors and sometimes fall out easily or are sealed to the ECU and leaves the connector empty. Take notice of the inner pac's movements more than the booty jammed inside where the pin can't move.

Still wondering when they are going to get back to looking at hub's diagnosis of a code 24 - speed sensor, instead of ecu etc. Assuming he's right, the wheel speed sensor issue will cause all of what your seeing.

did anyone even bother to do as much as unplug the sensor and shoot a little electrical contact cleaner in the connector and see if it just got wet in there?

The mxc checked connections, etc and couldn't find the problem. He has had multiple contact with Kawy, who sent the new ECU that didn't cure the problem. Kawy, at this point, asked what mods. I have the 44t rear spkt for a couple thousand miles, and re[laced the original rear tire with a 200/50 for 3-4k miles, then 190/55 for the next 11k miles since. And Delkevic slip-ons. Upon hearing, after 3 days of f-ing around, that I changed the gearing, they said that is the problem. They said to put stock spkt and tire on and it'll be fixed. So, we are waiting for the tire and spkt to be changed. That won't happen til next Tues or Wed. I had to come back home and leave the bike there.
If that does turn out to be the issue, and possibly a known issue to Kawy, who pays for all the f-ing shop time, when they should've had the dealer check that out first thing?? Plus, I have to get the bike back home in MINN from Alcoa (Knoxville) TN? I'll check into shipping, or maybe take a couple unpaid days off work to fly down and ride back. And weather is running out up here in MINN.

ominousone

geez.Well,Rod says the sensor will cause this stuff.Hub suggests checking the connector sleeves.I say meter assembly.Wow.Kawi says..'hey,we have NO idea"...in a roundabout sorta way.New ECU worked...fine actually.Along with your original.And Mama Kaw is scratching her head thinking 'what's a mother to do?'.This is a good one,ominousone.

Maybe it just needs to be cycled like the Hubmiester says.It does run okay now,right?I know cycling the key works...how many times,that I don't know.

JUst by your description,how the needle sweeps and such,yet the display is koo koo...it sounds like the display function has been damaged.Maybe have em swap a meter assembly for ya...just to see?That would eliminate that part anyway.I mean,since they're trying everything else.I switched tire sizes.Sprocket sizes(front and back(16T and 40 something)several times...no issues ever.Havin a hard time thinkin that's your problem....

Can you turn the KTRC 'off' with it like it is right now?I'd try that anyway.See what that does.It is running,yes.And running okay,right?It's only the dash that's acting weird?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/15/2018 @ 8:13 AM *

The miester says.."Let it ride. Seems the R series has a multi keyfob turning until the code clears. My experience has been about 14 to 20 fobs before it would clear. As long as it runs, the key cycling is going to clear it eventually".This may be the deal here.Hey,Hub aint been wrong yet that I've seen...that's a LOT of years on this forum.

It is NOT your aftermarket stuff.Hell,mine has aftermarket on her.Just about everyone here has SOME aftermarket stuff.Koo koo for Kawapufs,koo koo for Kawapuffs;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/15/2018 @ 8:17 AM *

ok, sensors all checked. Next in my mind is a "green" wire (aka corrosion) in the harness if the ecu didn't fix it. Did they check all the wires from the pcm to the speed sensor for resistance? then to the cluster?

after all, this all started after a bunch or rain riding. still cant see the bike taking weeks to start a sprocket issue. seems to me the ones that do it, happen pretty much right away. no?

in any case, dealer should have the ability to completely reset the pcm without key cycling I would think.

have they checked the gap from the sensor to the tone ring? the wheel has been off right? or not yet?

I still think water is making something wonky, shorted, etc.

I smell danish...

I prefer Hagrid smelling like Danish Kringle instead of him reminiscing about squirrel gizz

Its organic.

I tend to thing it goes something like this. Engineering is built by formula. Electronics are handcuffed to formula... go ask Mr. Ohm. I'll use Grn's cam sensor code popup, but the problem was a loose crank sensor tone wheel. We may be looking at the same phantom code bump, but say it's more the speed sensor in that combined loop. Wheel sensor input has no bearing as if the cam sensor coded, right? But at the spin of the countershaft sprocket's new [sweep] ratio to its pickup sensor sweep (aka another tone wheel design), the fixed formula's input is now out of phase linear wise, right?

Fixed meaning, the programmers type in a fixed number from tooth to tooth and that is ratio and formulas. They are handcuffed to the math basically. So set input is this fixed tooth to tooth. Forget adding the gearbox ratio, the tire's circumference and all the rest. Just look at the formula change you did = Tooth to Tooth Ratio = TruthTable "Code Goes Danish."

That's the reversengineering if I were building a motherboard and wanting it to work in this formula. The processor goes thru a math calc and double-checks the math. TruthTables call the shots. There is always an output signal. Those stumbles are the tables calling the final output in the math of it. AS IF I have an inside source to tell me their Intellectual Property works like this, meaning, don't hold your breath having Japan explain it to its US corporate offices. More or less the US corp is on its own.

Want a perfect bike? Remain stock. Want a faster bike? Keep the eyes off the dash.

My 2018 does this sometimes after a dyno runs. I5 does nothing to the performance or riding. To clear error code 24 you ride for a few kms, Stop turn off the ignition - Restart and repeat - three times in total and it resets itself.

UPDATE. Kawy told the dealer in beginning not to replace the wheel sensor, that the error code pointed to. Instead, they had the dealer::: replace the ECU-not fixed,, put on stock rear spkt (the one on it was 1 tooth lower)-again not fixed,, put on new rear stock size tire (I had a 190/55 on) at my expense as it turns out, but I'll use it up eventually,, a new wiring harness that took a while to get and install, still not fixed!! Well shit, let's try the wheel sensor........FIXED!! Kawy asked the dealer why they didn't do that in the 1st place...well because you said not to...We would never say that...whoops they record calls for training(?) purposes. Yes they did say that... The bike is still in Knoxville, I live in Minn, but it is fixed.

On a positive note, it was stored in Knoxville and Ididn't miss much ring here in the f-n clod. Plus, it gives me an excuse to go get it this Spring and ride the Dragon and other (more) favorite roads for a few days. My 85 year old dad, possibly my son and I will be heading down there in May. That, my friends is the silver lining!!

ominousone

Good lord ... 4 months. And all because of a bad call on Kawi's part

Hey at least you have that shiny new wiring harness. That's gonna be nice. ... oh and ECU.

Yes indeed, a nice new shiny wiring harness. Kind of a cluster...k. I will soooo happy to get back on that beast.

ominousone