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Thread: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board

Created on: 03/14/15 04:03 PM

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 5:56 PM

It's funny for all the talk about these people and their rapid break-in to achieve max hp. Not one believes me that my bike will occasionally power wheelies while breaking the back tire loose simultaneously. That's because apparently their bikes don't do this. Just today the sumbitch was breaking the back tire loose in second gear. Guess what break-in method I used? Well apparently, if they're bikes won't do this, and mine will, then I must've used the better break-in method for developing horsepower.

What a load of anecdotal bullshit. "Muh bike wheelies and spins and junk and yers dont!" Seriously? This is your rebuttal to every reputable PERFORMANCE shop on the planet using the dyno hard break-in method? If you want to prove something then make a pass on a 1320' track and post your MPH. A stronger bike will ALWAYS post up more MPH.

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 6:28 PM

What a load of anecdotal bullshit. "Muh bike wheelies and spins and junk and yers dont!" Seriously? This is your rebuttal to every reputable PERFORMANCE shop on the planet using the dyno hard break-in method? If you want to prove something then make a pass on a 1320' track and post your MPH. A stronger bike will ALWAYS post up more MPH.

Oh..I didn't realize "reputable PERFORMANCE shop" did this for free. I honestly didn't know that. I guess I didn't realize that "reputable PERFORMANCE shop" didn't have anything to gain by telling you it's better to break a bike in on their dyno. I thought they were there to make money, but I guess they are there to genuinely help people. Maybe dyno shop services should be part of our individual rights. I bet "reputable PERFORMANCE shop" would agree. To imagine all this time I thought "reputable PERFORMANCE shop" was trying to maximize profits. Man, I must be a FUCKING IDIOT, me and my ANECDOTAL BULLSHIT!

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 6:39 PM

..or maybe you have a freak 14r. Either way, congrats! That's awesome! I've never done that on either of my two bikes and one was broke in by the book, the other Motoman.

Rook maybe it is. I honestly have no idea. I'm not even joking about the thing breaking the tire loose in 2nd today. I don't mean a screech, I mean I could feel it spinning. It's not rare for it to skim the front tire in 3rd and 4th even, it's that close to pulling the tire up.

Here's an example of the simultaneous power wheelie/wheel spin. It's not like I try... I just get on it and the thing does it. It did this in TC 1 once even, that I recall.


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 8:14 PM

I've been gone from the forum for awhile but this thread was a great first read back to the site! Hahaha I'm fucking rolling here reading your guys' stories!!!!!



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 8:46 PM

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 9:08 PM

BUT again for some unknown reason mom comes INTO the room this time, AND walks over to the lamp on the dresser WITHIN SIGHT of me(!), AND turns the lamp on (!!!) ... never had done anything like that before .... Dunno for sure, but I suspect she just HAD to have seen me ... just had to confirm for herself what she had long suspected

I was gonna say, sounds like a case of motherly instinct. That's dreadful powerful. Getcha every time!

hehe, good one! I like these stories! Thanks everyone!

Here's an example of the simultaneous power wheelie/wheel spin.

Vic that is impressive. Just a hop but still amazing for low rpm. Maybe a little slick roads in the early spring morn but I never had my bike go up at that low of an rpm....and spin at the same time!!! Now if I see third and fourth gear power wheelies, I need a 14r right now.



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 9:12 PM

"Not one believes me that my bike will occasionally power wheelies while breaking the back tire loose simultaneously. That's because apparently their bikes don't do this"...I've done this several times...no,your bike isn't a 'freak'. When it first happened,I thought,,,"How the hell could it do that?"...so I tried again,and again,and...yup...she will for sure.Think my TC was set to 'off' however.Can't get her to maintain a mild loft with that TC on(when hammering that is).Combination of front wheel slowing during lift and rear wheel slipping....TC kicks in REALLY quick.


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 9:19 PM

When I was 24 I was dating 29 yo single mom. She was incredibly gorgeous with a smoking hot body. She and her son were living with her parents as much as she hated it. I think her son was like 6 or 7. So I come over to pick her up for a date and she's showering. The bathroom is in the hallway off the living room, bathroom door isn't visible (into the hall to the right). Me and her son were in the living room for a while, probably just watching tv or whatever.

I kind of forget how this happened exactly, all the sudden he's like come here. I was like for what. He's like just come on. I think this went on for a minute and I finally got sick of him pestering me. You know how kids are. He walks me to the bathroom she's in... and opens the door! She's standing in the shower, obviously naked. And we're just looking at each other. I mean this gal was gorgeous, in a hot steamy shower just like...WOW! It literally looked like a shower scene out of a movie.

So as I said, we're staring at each other. And honestly... I didn't know what to do. She didn't move! I mean her mommy parts, all of them, were just there..she didn't move. She didn't scream, she didn't yell "close the door!" or "get outta here" or anything. Nothing. We were just both shocked I think. I thought maybe she asked him to do it. But I don't think so. For one thing, I think her parents were home, I think they were going to watch her son. And obviously her son was right there.

So after a few seconds of admiring the view, I just closed the door and we went back into the living room. I think her son didn't really understand the situation of her nakedness. I think he thought he was just helping us out or something. It was great!

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 9:34 PM

Oh..I didn't realize "Man, I must be a FUCKING IDIOT, me and my ANECDOTAL BULLSHIT!

You said it not me. I'm sure a time slip will confirm the relevancy of your claims.
Here's mine broken in the wrong way.


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/15/15 10:49 PM

Man this thread is all over the friggin place!



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 6:11 AM

and so we're standing there. And honestly I didn't know what to do?

Call the Wolfman, I'll take it from here!

As for break in, I rode mine like I stole it. So far so good no problems. I didn't follow the literature - I just did not have the impulse control to follow the break in procedures.







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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 6:12 AM

man this thread is all over the place

It has to be, it's the greatest post in the history of the message board.







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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 7:15 AM

OK, I reckon the best conclusion anyone can draw from this thread is ignore all the hype you read on the net, from either side and just go along with what you feel happy with.

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 10:00 AM

When I was working for Ducati we toured the factory in Bologna. They took every bike and put it on a roller dyno and took it through all the gears to redline. Not a long run but they did this to every single bike they produced. I suspect Kawasaki does the same. This isn't a breakin, more of a function check. Of course that doesn't explain the Monster we got at the shop which arrived with bent valves....

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 10:25 AM

Man this thread is all over the friggin place!

No, it's just Break in methods and Vic's 14. ...and embarrassing moments which all seem to have with getting caught in the act.

Vic, that girl was broke in. Had a few miles but Warranty still good, obviously no accelerated wear. so you were clear to thrash on her. I hope you rode her like you stole her.



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 3:02 PM

Why many folks insist on putting down Motoman is surprising. His findings are rooted in reality and fact. Now I am not saying you can't follow manufacturer break in but I beleieve Rook has tested both methods with the same result on his bikes. I am going to follow my local Kawasaki dealers tech advice. I have dealt with them for years and he has worked in the service dept. 15+ years. His advice was simple. Break it in like your going to drive it. If you start it the bike must be driven and heated up to operating temps at minimum. Do not ride at the same RPM for long durations. He feels you leave the break in oil in til the manufacturer spec miles and then only go semi synthetic after. Never has he had a problem with this break in method and I feel confident with this method. I have years of warranty coverage anyway so I am not going to go nuts over this.



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 3:13 PM

I'd say,from my zx bikes experiences with break-ins,The rings will seat fairly quickly.It's the transmissions and such that take time to wear together smoothly.I would say the rings if done quickly and soon after getting the bike won't take long...perhaps within a few power runs with some throttle off decelling.After that,allow for the trans parts and all to settle in with gentle clutch shifting.And no long periods of idling.At the beginning first several rides anyway.Start it,idle it for a minute or so,and go for it.Right away.Within the first 10 miles.Maybe less even.The quicker you get the rings to be where they need to be(they're already partially there from the factory dyno runs),the rest is by the book pretty much IMO.These modern motors aren't full of imperfections as they once were.Just look at your first oil change condition.You won't see much in there.


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 3:22 PM

He feels you leave the break in oil in til the manufacturer spec miles and then only go semi synthetic after.

This is what is suggested by Kawasaki and the reason I am told is that engine metals such as molybdenum wear off during break in and end up suspended in the oil. This metal is GOOD for your brand new engine. Apparently some of it is fine enough to pass through the filter and act as a sort of wear in buffer. The larger particles that break off during the break in will remain in the filter or the oil pan. For a race break in, it's anticipated that there will be a lot more of these larger particles and that is the reason for changing oil frequently. I was told to use the Spectro oil that I pictured in a previous post on this thread if I was going to remove the break in oil before the specced mileage was reached. Spectro has metallic additives that serve the same purpose as the metal that wears off of the engine parts during break in.



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 4:26 PM

Some years ago when most bikes wee still air cooled there were issues with bore glazing due to the engines being run in too gently. IIRC the Z1000J was one of the models where some owners had problems. Modern engines are not only built to tighter tolerances but also use different materials for the bore linings and pistons/rings so, IMO, it's much less of a problem but still not a good idea to be TOO light on the throttle. The components need some load and hence heat generated to bed in properly but you can still do that without riding it like you stole it.JMO


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 4:29 PM

Different subject but Brocks Response is related. "Properly Broke In"


"...oh and BTW that bike threw #3rod..." I'm not sure where you heard any bullshit like that, but it sure wasn't from me and it certainly isn't true. Slugger has run like a striped-ass ape from the day we properly broke it in on the dyno - and hasn't missed a beat since.


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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 6:20 PM

You said it not me. I'm sure a time slip will confirm the relevancy of your claims.
Here's mine broken in the wrong way.

If the time doesn't work, jump to 2:30.

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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 9:10 PM

there went two minutes of my bedtime.



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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 10:21 PM

Ringo needs an empty hole, right in the middle of em!







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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/16/15 10:21 PM

He wants revenge!
For what?
Being Born!







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RE: Greatest Post In The History Of This Board
03/17/15 5:26 PM

Here's an excerpt from an account of someone's visit to the Porsche factory, who specifically asked about the factory red-lining new engines:

http://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/

When the test was completed, a Porsche engineer came over to review the results. I couldn’t resist asking the question that I had been searching to find an answer to for all these years. I asked “why does Porsche feel it is safe for a new engine to run at nearly full throttle in the factory, while the customer must keep the engine speed to no more than 4,000 RPM for a 2,000 mile break-in period?” I thought that was a logical question and if I do say so myself-well stated! The engineer replied, “Herr Koop, you do not understand (that I already knew). When we do our engine test, the metals inside the engine never reach the temperatures they would when driven on the street since the test session is fairly short. In other words, the bearings, pistons and cylinders never get a chance to thermally expand to their maximum. Therefore, there is little wear on the moving components. But when you drive a car on the street, the engine parts expand considerably more because of the heat being generated from the engine running for an extended period of time. No matter how tight the tolerances are, there is always a slight amount of expansion in the material. The moving parts can wear quickly if exposed to excessive heat and not always in a uniform way. We also constantly vary the speed and allow the engine to run at both high and low RPM’s”.

“Porsche wants the engine to break-in slowly, which means it needs to maintain a lower operating temperature (below 4,000 RPM) and to allow all parts to adjust (wear-in) within their own thermal expansion parameters. This is also the reason why Porsche wants the owner to vary the RPM throughout the break-in period; therefore the engine doesn’t get use to one operating temperature range”.

“Porsche has been using Mobil 1 Oil since the early 90’s. With its superior lubricating properties, it takes many miles of driving (without getting the engine too hot) before the components actually seat (or break-in). Porsche’s own tests reveal that after 2,000 miles have been driven, all of the moving parts have had a chance to wear into their adjacent surfaces and then an increase in engine RPM is permissible.” I replied, “JA DAS SOUNDS GUT, when you explain it that way, it makes a lot of sense.” I thought to myself “You Dummkopf, why didn’t you think of that”.

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