So the thread is about "Cornering on the ZX-14R". Of course everything applies to cornering any bike, but the 14 actually corners quite well.

Braking sub topic, I only use brakes when on a steep downhill curve where you pretty much need to bleed off some speed. All things being equal (flat terrain or climbing terrain), I don't touch the brakes at all in the curves.

* Last updated by: OpenRoad on 6/24/2014 @ 9:43 PM *

TBOSS,

I really like the track-queen dig, though. That's usually what I hear from arrogant street riders that don't like having their riding technique critically analyzed and found wanting.

I for one enjoy the art of the digabs back and for, however, eye pee scented my pissing contested video(s), meaning, I am looking for mistakes and study how I can try to improve. Since you are in the business, maybe you can point out the things you see, show me where I'm screwing up. A different perspective sometimes sees something the other(s)/I can't.

When you are hanging that butt cheek off and you see the corner entrance comin and ur smoothly braking, that push on the inside bar that gently pushes against the brakin forces is the stabilization we are seeking.

Sweet, I think it's more what you are feeling is that next step comin is all. It's not so much a get off the brake fast. I know that is how I worded it, it's about getting off the brakes smooth, and yes, you do need to relieve the braking forces to use all the cornering grip. The braking deeper is giving you greater feedback on where the traction limit is through those bars via the tighter geometry caused by the braking see, use that feedback to feeeeel the apex comin, then smoooth off as you dip her in and are already looking up and through and turning the bike around its axis with throttle and inside bar and inside peg pressure, all together smooth now. You will feel that polar moment of inertia shift as she tightens around her axis and then the combined polar shift and weight transfer in synch is where beauty lies. Hit that apex with the timed dip and roll through with the front end lightening up and the line opening up you should squirt out that mutherfucker like a watermelon seed.

I for one enjoy the art of the digabs back and for, however, eye pee scented my pissing contested video(s), meanin, I am looking for mistakes and study how I can try to improve. Since you are in the business, maybe you can point out the things you see, show me where I'm screwing up. A different perspective sometimes sees something the other(s)/I can't.

I think that you're asking for a different perspective of your riding... I think? If so, which video did you post that is you?

Sickninja - You're right. I digress. I've been dealing with forum drama for as long as I've been riding, and sometimes I get the red mist when there's a good pissing match afoot. We're all here to help each other using our varied backgrounds, and those backgrounds don't always lead to the same conclusions. I'm sure Danno and I are hitting each other over the head with the same good intentions and type-A assholery.

Sorry Danno. Fucking internetz.

I don't mind anyone having a different opinion, but that's all it is-an opinion. In none of my posts did I claim to be fast. In none of my posts did I claim to "detest" brakes. You twisted and misconstrued everything I said so you could poo-poo anything other that trackday experience. I have no desire to do a trackday because my miles are reserved for running great roads all over the US. My purpose was to help the poster enjoy his experience like I do. You, on the other hand, postulate it is more important to learn how to run mid-pack at a track day, doing repetitive laps on a clean, controlled surface with everyone going the same way, no traction-reducing gravel, dirt, leaves, moving obstacles (animals) and plenty of medical personnel standing by to pick up the pieces. Although the techniques learned there may help someone know their machine and it's capabilities better, they don't translate to the real world and people who try them out there end up getting a helicopter ride or worse, a ride to the morgue. So your purpose was to promote your business, make money and put you and your hobby up as the end-all be-all for riding a motorcycle.

As far as I'm concerned, trackdays suck. Trackdays have killed club racing in this country and are a big reason why we'll never see another American MotoGP Champion unless something changes drastically. One look at the "Tree of Shame" at Deal's Gap is all it takes to realize what happens when someone thinks they are fast and tries to put those techniques to work on a real road. Just my opinion.

I've always just focused on being as smooth and fluid as possible with all my inputs, and the speed has came with it. For me I will always sacrifice speed to be more safe any day. That being said, there are no chicken strips on the factory Bridgestones

If I am anything, it's NOT fluid. Lol. I feel the bike with these tires wants to flow from braking, entry, apex, exit smoothly, but I need improvement in the area smooth flowing movements.

I feel I can "nail it" as far as decent cornering technique and execution, but only inconsistently. Lol

Spotty at best. lol but I can see how smooth equates to control and eventually, more speed

I do plan to take a track day once I get some house repair outta the way first. I think its be very useful and should "raise my game" noticeably. And thought of riding a track with instruction and other like minded individuals sounds like a great time

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/25/2014 @ 7:46 AM *

Okay, Danno. I'll keep my olive branch, and you keep your head in the sand.

I think that you're asking for a different perspective of your riding... I think? If so, which video did you post that is you?

That is correct. Page 3 of this thread. 5th post up from the bottom.

And just WHAT is not okay about your riding...shit man...you pointed out some things to me that helped my confidence and riding.ie..."latelinin"...very helpful...probably didn't realize just how effective that strategy was.ALL the race guys use as much of the track space to get better.It's a tad harder to do when a guy has only one half of the road to work with...and oncoming cars to deal with;)Easy to forget...those racers have a WIDE road to play on...cut that in half...and still maintain your speed and such...big difference;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/25/2014 @ 10:46 AM *

First of all this is a great thread,I'm surprised no one has mentioned riding "the pace"a completely different style more suitable for the street.due to our stupid laws in ontario a 50 kph over ticket will rely mess up your liscense and insurance.i enjoy reasonable speed on the straights and accelerating thru the corners then slowing down to avoid those pesky radar traps

First of all this is a great thread,I'm surprised no one has mentioned riding "the pace"a completely different style more suitable for the street.due to our stupid laws in ontario a 50 kph over ticket will rely mess up your liscense and insurance.i enjoy reasonable speed on the straights and accelerating thru the corners then slowing down to avoid those pesky radar traps

In ontario if there's an obstacle in the way our damn ministry of transportation bull doses a road thru it not around it .good roads with transitions are hard to find.damn I love Georgia,roads like Wolfpen gap keep me regular

* Last updated by: darryle on 6/25/2014 @ 10:57 AM *

Good point GRN

It's hard to apply the "entry point", and "apex" aspects of track riding when riding on the street.

Just staying in your lane is what I struggle to do

Thank's Grn. If only one person gets something out of it, hey, it made sense to me, it's gotta be JoeA grade basics, no? Same page 3 video and at a few seconds before 6:00, I can see the yellow line in between the air cleaner, have a tendency to dip at the peak of that black line in the middle? Then, the white line is coming as late as possible or less curve hugging keeping tight, kiss the white line and the situp is right back where the yellow is; back at the air cleaner/frame gap.

It's hard to apply the "entry point", and "apex" aspects of track riding when riding on the street.

Just staying in your lane is what I struggle to do

MAN64, that's the discipline. How much more road do I need? How much faster do I have to go? That was a slow, late line. No cars coming, I'm going to kiss the yellowhites all day long. The other part is no-brake-timing. I rolled off and used engine brake, but still had that timing to back off, or I'll be here kind of exit, i.e., up in between his muffler and wheel.

Thanks for the feedback C. I didn't take your reply as "get off the brakes fast". That's just what I'm feeling from the bike when I try to smoothly transition between braking into the corner, and tipping down into it. It feels like the front wheel is "pushing" and wanting to tuck under on me. I'll try to feeeel that out on my next ride, which won't be for a few weeks, given the weather here really sucks right now.

Tiny tires. See my toes.

Wow! Now that's what I call feelin' the road!

http://m.motorcyclistonline.com/flashback/122_0911_the_pace_nick_ienatsch

I am starting to get my 'ducks in s row' to take my first track day

Should be really fun from what I've told

Friend and local bike shop owner who has road raced for years said a track day is the most fun you'll ever have on a sportbike

Really getting pumped for it

You are gonna love it! It will start to live inside you, the need for that corner speed, that unleashing of the beast. It does me. I can not stop going over the corners that I gave up some time, those I got right. The techniques to focus on are smoothness and looking where you want to go. Always smooth positive of negative application of power or brakes. Never dead time when ur just coasting. Body position, hold position as you roll to wot and then as bike is standing up smooooothe drag move to center to focus on braking marker to setup to smooth on the brakes to diiiip, roll on out of that leeaaaaaaan with power forcing you to wide line.....
Damn. I need it. Gimme that kwak.

Always on the balls of feet, gentle on the bars. Always! When you find your self gripping bars and tensing and looking at braking zone, slow down, roll off, deep breath, find that rythymn again, roll on, roll in, head up, eyes ahead, weight forward, apex predator, get it!

Good advice. And I've learned from my practice solo runs about how important being loose on the bars is; makes all the difference

Thanks

I am still pursuing a "more upright bike/ less lean angle and more sliding partially off the seat" as my form. Seem to be getting better and more effective and seem to have a much more in-control feeling

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 7/14/2014 @ 6:26 PM *

Say.... how much does it cost you guys for a track day over there? Here in South Australia it costs me around $200.00 AU just for entry to a track day.

In my area its $145 a day. But I've learned that's no classroom instruction, just 6 20 minutes at a time track riding sessions and the coach(es) riding with you here and there and offering feedback if you ask them to.

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 7/14/2014 @ 8:31 PM *