I guess I don't get where your coming from Vic. I see the portrayal of two gunslingers that possessed talent, natural ability, and the respect of their peers in that line of business. Where exactly do you fit in? I posted a ticket of what my break-in method has wrought and you copy/paste a Youtube vid?

By the book/sticker says so break in method:
Exhibit A:

Just today the sumbitch was breaking the back tire loose in second gear.

Exhibit B: "Digs around in briefcase"
Exhibit C: Something about who checks what chase my tail? Cold on the crank and still sets the scale? Wet them if you want but still no cigar? Old and senile will win the day if compression is the game you wish to play?

Hard break in:
Exhibit A: Brock's Performance
Exhibit B: Cycle Concepts
Exhibit C: Carpenter Racing
Exhibit D-Y: Assorted performance shops throughout the planet.
Exhibit Z: CBlast tuned 8.93 @ 155+ Stock wheelbase bike with a 180lb rider. Using 87 octane! The horror! (The jury gasps)

Let's see if I'm right about who comes running to spew the book says book says.

* Last updated by: maverick1441 on 3/17/2015 @ 5:52 PM *

the metals inside the engine never reach the temperatures they would when driven on the street since the test session is fairly short.

Starts the engine and whips the engine right up to redline. That's about as fast as thermal to metal to metal is a cold engine.

In other words, the bearings, pistons and cylinders never get a chance to thermally expand to their maximum.

Yeah, but year hundt, das is some really, really rub them there palms hard. Heated up like a wee near she nitz shall we shovel the BS fan high? So the shit hits the fan a lot easier than the ceiling it's attached to?

Starts engine, and who cares how much time it's idling, that piston is being flame fronted and heat is heat. And is that piston growing faster than the cylinder? So didn't they drive it off the assembly line, drive to how far are the wheel rollers? And wasn't there enough thermal time from line to rollers warm enough? And then get your card out or the build sheet, the processor has to run that bar code thru all the vin/engine/date it and isn't that green light sort of fast but you still have to wait there before floorboard time?

Wasn't there enough time expanding those parts [going thru all the motions] before the dyno hit the fan?

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I should have read the article. Air pressured not lit off with gas. Still... rub both hands together = Linear thermal expansion is contact for contact = EVEN HEAT.

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*facepalm*

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... therefore the engine doesn’t get use to one operating temperature range”.

Therefore, my tea kettle is not used to a boiling point and one remembers one temp range. You gotta be kidding me right? That I need to drink my instant cough fee at 170°Fucking Funny! Or my kettle will take shit and start leaking... LOLOL

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We warm the water and oil to temp before we light off the compressor or was that running for 30 minutes and I have yet to boil water in the radi... LOL

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Hub no offense. But you know how you're having problems understanding that ECU thing-a-mabob? Well the same types of people that made that ECU thing-a-mabob work are the same types of people that made the Porsche engine. Now you can listen to some retard that thinks running sub 9s on a strapped 14R is something special, or you can listen to the goddam people that made the thing. I don't expect you to understand it, it's just unfortunate you think you know more in 30 seconds than decades of R&D.

Some of you people want to start telling me about Brock? Exactly what the fuck do you know about Brock? Please, remove his ball sack out of your mouth before you explain.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My days of old-wives-tales and backyard grease monkey shit are over. I'll take the researched, engineered, proven methods every time. But you do what you want.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 3/17/2015 @ 9:04 PM *

No offense Vic, but those wives-tails you mention, I know some who throw the engine back together, to others that replace the same part it was mated to. Guess which one is faster? So with the mismatched parts, isn't is how that engine was massaged rather than meticulously assembled?

And you know it; I am in that shop manual and you are up against the wall I open a page and point something out. I have no clue about this bike. The basics? I know enough to get me by. And no offense again, Vic, I don't expect you to catch that move like I see it move in the hard parts of it. Match 3 hard parts to the 8 legs and you're in.

SEE IT VIC! You're getting Sleep Pee... Watch the .7ma drop under my hat you're getting sleepeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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People can believe what they want. I prefer to know. And that's that, it's that simple. Final word... no need for a Ripley.

PPPPPEEEEEEEZZZZZZ Hubster! (sometimes that's the most relief us old guys need)

You just discredited yourself Vic. If it was nothing special then surely Mr. Lee Pruitt (SmokinZX14) could have gotten into the 8s on his first try at SWB. (Or anyone else on this site) Now your trying to discredit Mr. Lee and I promise that won't sit well with anyone on the site. Your proving that you have no problem speaking on things that you have very little understanding of and it stands to reason that the same is true of your other arguments. Your posts are full of profanity and anger which is indicative that your base of knowledge has a weak foundation. Keep that Mama Kawasaki tit in your mouth and suckle away Vic. You don't need a bike that's any quicker than stock anyways.

-VicThing- Man, I must be a FUCKING IDIOT!

* Last updated by: maverick1441 on 3/18/2015 @ 7:09 AM *

The break in period is beaten to death in the forum. Vic is over critical and out of line toward alot of experienced riders and technicians that have a wealth of knowledge. The Kawasaki engineers and designers are smart people, no doubt. But they are also the same cheap conservative idiots that will leave off a needed steering damper in the bikes design and install limiters. I think we should rename this post to "Dumbest Post..." And Vic that weird story about the little kid who escorted you over to a bathroom where his mom was showering and exposed herself naked is a truly creepy story. So maybe we can call this post the "Weirdest and Dumbest Post...."

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Break ins are for the rider,if I had of gone thru the gears WOT the first time I rode my 07,I might not be here.followed breakin for about 500 km,my 2012 was broken in on a dyno

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But they are also the same cheap conservative idiots that will leave off a needed steering damper in the bikes design and install limiters.

No that's the legal dept, PR and administrstors. If we left this totally up to the engineers, we'd all have the best technology available. Wouldn't we all love to make the best product and best service... The reality is that it is not cost effective (i.e. H2, H2R, Bugatti Veyron COSTS the company $6 million/unit produced) and it would cause a public outcry if it were to become even marginally more that rare on the streets. If we want the best quality possible, we have to go back to the middle ages economy where you either had to be extremely rich to afford anything or you learned to make it yourself. Today, we have something very close to a fast food business model for a lot of the items the average consumer can afford (and let me tell ya, it still aint cheap). I work in healthcare and i see it daily. If it ever gets this cheesy in the motorcycle industry, i will be learning to make my own.

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You just discredited yourself Vic. If it was nothing special then surely Mr. Lee Pruitt (SmokinZX14) could have gotten into the 8s on his first try at SWB. (Or anyone else on this site) Now your trying to discredit Mr. Lee and I promise that won't sit well with anyone on the site. Your proving that you have no problem speaking on things that you have very little understanding of and it stands to reason that the same is true of your other arguments. Your posts are full of profanity and anger which is indicative that your base of knowledge has a weak foundation. Keep that Mama Kawasaki tit in your mouth and suckle away Vic. You don't need a bike that's any quicker than stock anyways.

Oh yay fow you you declawed victowy. It's well documented completely STOCK 14Rs that just get strapped can break 9 seconds. That's with the stock exhaust, stock tires etc.

The break in period is beaten to death in the forum. Vic is over critical and out of line toward alot of experienced riders and technicians that have a wealth of knowledge. The Kawasaki engineers and designers are smart people, no doubt. But they are also the same cheap conservative idiots that will leave off a needed steering damper in the bikes design and install limiters. I think we should rename this post to "Dumbest Post..." And Vic that weird story about the little kid who escorted you over to a bathroom where his mom was showering and exposed herself naked is a truly creepy story. So maybe we can call this post the "Weirdest and Dumbest Post...."

Holy shit? You talk about me crossing lines yet you're sitting there calling me and my girlfriend at the time child molesting perverts?

Hub, bud, just want to make sure between this and the other thread about ECUs there's no confusion where we're at?

we good? I hope so.

I hate watching people disintegrate on this forum. However that said...

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No confusion, Vic, we are good! I really don't think that at all, Wolfy. It's more like man cave garage talk. Vic's starting to age and with age the wine and all that fill in the blank and pick your taste. Like deer meat or trout... Gamy

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-VicThing- It's well documented completely STOCK 14Rs that just get strapped can break 9 seconds. That's with the stock exhaust, stock tires etc.

You mean like when Editor in Chief of Sport Rider Magazine Kent Kunitsugu "ATTEMPTED" to run an 8 on a bike set up just like mine? I've only been riding 6 years and racing for 4 so it should have been easy for him no? Maybe you should give it a shot Vic. It's nothing special after all. I'm sure since it's well documented that you can list 5 or 6 cases of these bone stock 14Rs going 8s. I would like to know who all those riders are and where they're from.

* Last updated by: maverick1441 on 3/18/2015 @ 8:08 PM *

The disintegration comment was not aimed at you Hubsy!

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I knew that, Wolfy. I just knew also; I'm going to die broke buying bikes so I broke it in hard and compression may have been high, but the bike burned oil between changes and that was averaged out to 2.7k. Broke the last bike in by the book, never topped the bike off between changes. And I'm sure if I feel the trans shift shitty, the oil is dumped on say that same average of 3k give or take. Same high compression found in the tighter sealed surface of the book-broke.

Saw an up-close camera aimed at a lathe cutting bit. I watched how it sheered the metal off like if you saw a mudslide, that's the way the metal was leaving; as if a bulldozer with a sharp blade was cutting into the ground and shaving fresh sod from a farm field.

If you were ever around a bulldozer, see how that mud is not mud, but enough to see a smooth finish in the semi-wet dirt, you see the edges raised, and then these tiny gaps are left? Imagine the same exact finish on that metal the micro-cam was exposing. Dirt for dirt, metal sheer for metal sheer, you could see the same smooth/rise/craters both blades made as if they were twins.

Recently watched a plasma coating gun drop a constant feed of metal chips or balls(?) into the back of the flame. This then heats and melts from solids into a liquid state. Imagine rolling up clay or dough and slam it against the wall. You now take millions of those micro balls and they melt and splatter over the clay/dough next to it and then a 3rd falls in the middle of the 2 molten balls. So imagine the pattern of the coating and the melted balls having a high round, smooth ridge, but leave craters between splats of the balls hitting and melting semi-flat.

Sharp ridges bulldozed into the cast iron finish to now, a semi-high melted ball as if there were balls of speed bumps or more like an old cobblestone street surface is more the nikasil finish. Look how long it is going to take to create a better seal between shaving the cobblestone street finish down. Look at how the crosshatch is still there after miles of wear. The ring begins to gap before the wall finish is removed.

I doubt I would hurt the finish. It's the rings I would change after hard break-in or slow tfd ffs! Da f is it wit chew guys! F'inn motoshitface is ruined my ring face of all faces I meet up wit chew again!?

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Not so sure one can compare rubber tires wearing on a cobblestone road to rings and cylinder wall wear...but okay...I get the gist of it..I thinkLOL!

"“The two-cycle stuff is all Nikasil. Now the outboard engines are going to Nikasil, too. All the NASCAR Winston Cup shops are using Nikasil cylinders. If it’s good for NASCAR, it’s not going to be long before you start seeing it in OEM engines,” Kiebler explains. “The time is coming when you’re going to have to use diamonds if you’re going to hone Nikasil cylinders.”

Kiebler says all most shops do is slightly roughen Nikasil cylinders. “You don’t really remove much material. The Winston Cup shops are running some of these motors five races before they redo the cylinders. The Nikasil coating really extends ring life and cuts down on ring wear.”

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 3/19/2015 @ 10:21 AM *

Hey Vic almost 8 months on the forum and 800 posts.
That's an average of 1 : 100
I would wager that in a few of those posts you've managed to anger a few of the ole school original and respected members here. I don't know if that's a well done or who tha fuck u think you are?
Mav, hubs hag are all some of my favourites here too. Come to think of it, they all ticked me off about something sometime. Yet I look up to them and call them friends. There is a message here...
Can you feel me. I mentioned to you this is not your house. Agree disagree do your "victhing" just remember respect shown is respect returned. Or ... If you will...eat a dick

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I am ready for the barrage of insults. If u need a hug let me know.

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Everyone's entitled to an opinion Wolf.

As far as respect and all that, there's a very specific group of people here that would take a lot of effort on their part for me to offended. Hub of course is one. Rook of course is one. CBlast of course is one. (all in no particular order).

These people have earned my respect beyond a doubt. The reasons will remain my own. I don't expect you to understand my equation.