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Thread: Lightweight brakes

Created on: 01/04/17 11:21 AM

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Lightweight brakes
01/04/17 11:21 AM

Front Calipers:
Weight in grams;
ISR 6 piston w/o 538 with 718
ISR 4 piston with 800
Accossato PZ004 w/o 660 with 925
Accossato PZ005 w/o 535
Accossato PZ07 w/o 638
Accossato PZ08 w/o 638, w/ 838
Accossato CNC Ti w/o 535
Frando race w/o 600
Frando w/o 1000
Goldfren ? 800
Brembo Stylema w 858.1
Bembo M4 w/o 800 with 1010
Brembo M50 w/0 700 (16+ zx14r se) w 850
Brembo P4 34 with 1012-1030
Brembo 4P with 937
Brembo CNC w/o 720
Brembo HP w/o 1000
Brembo GP4 w/o 578
Brembo CNC P4 Ti w/o 600
Beringer 4 piston with 990 endurance version is 1110
Beringer claims new 4 piston caliper weighs half the old one 4+100R 500 ~ grams
Beringer 6 piston with 1070
Tokico 4 piston with 1220
Nissin 4 piston with 1108 (regular zx14)

Rear Calipers:
zx10 rear caliper with 940
Active caliper bracket 415
Brembo 84mm rear 581 w/o
Beringer 84mm rear 302 w/o 444 with
PFM 84mm rear 440 with
Brembo 64mm rear 198 w/o
Zx14r rear caliper w mount >1385g (Ti bolts)
Beringer rear caliper w Active mount <835.7g (some Ti bolts)

Rear Rotors:
Zx14 first gen used rear rotor 1281.4 grams
Galfer wave rotor 955-948 grams (870 grams advertised weight)
Cut down zx14 rear rotor 808-789 grams (Chris Canaan)
Brilotech metal matrix rear 575 grams
Brilotech race rear 337 grams
Fairclough Ti rear rotor 279 grams (.614#)
MMR (Superbike style) Zx10 rear 250 grams?
MMR carbon zx10 rear 91 grams

Front Rotors:
Stock Zx14 front (310x5.5) each 2.71 lbs 1229.7-1216.2 grams
Brembo Zx14r front 16+ 310 each 3.12 lbs 1530grams
Cut brembo front 310 each 2.29 lbs 1040.54 grams (Chris Canaan/DME)
BriLo Tech metal ceramic matrix front (320x5.5) each 2.39 lbs 1085 grams
BriLo Tech metal ceramic matrix front (310x5.5) each 955 grams
Anashi front each 3 lbs 1360 grams
Yanashiki front each 3.8 lbs 1723 grams
Galfer front each 2.75 lbs 1247.4 grams
Carrazzeria front 320 each 2.4 lbs 1088.6 grams
SICOM Carbon ceramic composite 320mm/6.0mm 855g(1700+USD per pc)
Brembo Carbon-GP series rotor 330mm/9.5mm 720g(not streetable)(3000USD per pc)

BriLo Tech is working on a lighter rear brake setup. We can also manufacture custom brake pads, lightweight tone rings, and axles.


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/05/17 4:33 AM

Carrazeria makes some light front rotors....I have. Don't know that i would recommend. They make a groaning noise when i hit the brake hard. Never could determine if that was normal but they work as good as stock.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/05/17 7:34 AM

That groaning noise usually signals a lock up.That's what I read and heard somewhere.Perhaps your brakes are running MUCH better than the stock rotors?

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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/05/17 6:21 PM

Maybe.....I don't get on them hard enough often enough to say....but I did lock the front with OEM rotors and pads and there was no groan at all. Have video. The tire squeal is audible and that's it.

One speculation I have is that the CZs vibrate under heavy braking. They are like half the thickness of OEM and almost like lace in hole pattern. I could see those getting a harmonic running through them real easy.

Also, CZ recommends only organic pads. Talking to you is what made me decide to stay away from those. The sintered pads work fine and I am not having undo rotor ware. Far as I remember, the CZ with sintered HHH pads feels pretty much the same as OEM with OEM pads.

Also, The CZs may be semi floating rotors which I had heard are a little noisy. IDK if they float. I tried pressing them in on the buttons and I do not see that they move at all unless you need to press extremely hard to get them tp move.

Also, when brand new, one side had excessive runnout according to OEM specs. Carrazzeria has NO spec for brake disk runnout???? WTF? So is that one rotor vibrating from warpage?

SO, that is why I hesitate to recommend CZ rotors although they are exceptionally lightweight and very attractive.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/06/17 9:14 PM

Those rotors are beautiful Rook. :) I'd think rotors like that would be prone to warping? Wonder if they trued/straightened themselves?
Id bet the brembo rotors that I have are heavier than the regular rotors, Should probably at least switch to the regular rotors in front. Are there any rear rotor options that are lighter than the galfer wave rotor?



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/07/17 4:33 PM

I'm thinking about the Beringer Beringer 2d1 caliper on an Active mount.
It looks like the Beringer caliper is about half the weight of the original.


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/07/17 6:29 PM

Another member told me his Galfer Superbike rotors seemed heavier than OEM.

Those rotors are beautiful Rook. :) I'd think rotors like that would be prone to warping? Wonder if they trued/straightened themselves?

I'm really glad you asked that, cool because something went off in my head. I almost dismissed it but the feeling
i should check the maintenance log kept gnawing at me even as i finished gnawing upon my Philly sandwich.

This was cut from the maintenance log and the runnout tests were done last summer. Looks like they did actually get better with use.

Rotor Warp:
CZ right front rotor .0050” (last measured, 01-’13: .0070”)
CZ left front rotor .0080” (last measured, 01-’13: .0130” according to OEM front disk spec, .01 service limit, this should have been replaced when new but seems to have worn into spec).

left front rotor wear: .169” (0 miles service: .172”)
right front rotor wear: .175” (0 miles service: .181”)


Yeah, i guess it did true itself.

I like that Beringer caliper. I'd have to know the weight of that bracket though. Also, make sure the bracket fits the 14R. it says 06-11.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/07/17 6:34 PM

When i researched it, Galfer wave rotor was the lightest rear rotor far as I could tell. it is lighter than OEM.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/08/17 11:10 AM

I'm sure the galfer is lighter, I think i have pics to prove it. Trying to find a titanium rear rotor alibaba..
Has anything changed on the axles from gen 1-2?
They make other brackets, I'll probably modify the bracket anyway.
The Beringer caliper is around 300grams, the performance brembo calipers are about 580-600grams, I'd imagine the stock caliper is around 700?



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/08/17 2:57 PM

You might be thinking of this:

Make copies. IDK how much longer they will have that url since i am noe working on reorganizing my brakes album on photobucket.

The Beringer caliper is around 300grams, the performance brembo calipers are about 580-600grams, I'd imagine the stock caliper is around 700?

I'm slippin'. That blue Beringer sure is pretty but I think with my wheels, gold would be the right choice. I had a rear brake revamp all planned and that caliper would top it off nicely.

Pads are included.
What pads do spose it takes? Same as Brembo 2 piston?


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/08/17 3:38 PM

What do you know about Beringer front calipers? I see they go 'em..

No info on weight. $1100/pair. Might consider a lower end Brembo at that price if there is no dif in weight. i don't think braking performance is a selling point for me. I'm happy with OEM. Weight loss and looks is what I'm after.

Looks like you may need to use Berringer pads to fit their calipers.


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/11/17 11:53 AM

SuperbikeUnlimited has both front and rear.

I presume the 100mm and 108 mm refers to the bolt holes center~center?

I might be slippin' Cool!!! Where are you?

$1500 buys a full set.

shiny billet calipers......ooooo looks so good.


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/11/17 7:41 PM

I have to say those calipers are freakishly awesome. Bling factor 10 Scotty! For performance, really you're talking about wanting (or needing) that last hundredths of a second every lap. You'd probably be better off switching to CF wheels first. CF wheels, these brakes, and lightweight calipers (and tit bolts for a kicker) I could see making just enough difference to probably notice (won't be night an day, but probably more like 5pm to 7pm).

I don't know I suppose if I spent more time showing my bike than riding it I'd probably put something like them on here they are bad ass as it gets.

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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 3:22 AM

LOL "tit bolts"....already got those in gold...

yeah, I'd agree, CF wheels would be a more noticeable improvement but about 3x as expensive and I already have blue CZ wheels that I like the look of better. Gotta admit, the blig factor is what I'm after here. I don't have a clue what it is to outride the 14's brakes. The ads say they reduce lever travel....i think the lever travel is small enough with stock brakes. They might actually get a bit touchy but i have a hard time believing that a caliper would make that much difference.

MY GOD...they make MCs too!! I could have the whole bar bracket, MC and reservoir all in GOLD! I see another money pit opening here. 1500 in calipers and another 1000 in MCS... DAMN.

but tell me, is this not cool or what?

I buy my stuff once. Once it's on the bike, it's there to stay unless it wears out. The bike's 9 years old FCOL!! It's on it's way to becoming a relic, why not keep it fresh and exciting?



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 3:25 AM

I've got to start asking some questions at Superbike Unlimited. If I can get a F/R set, I might pop for these.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 3:37 AM

Cheaper than Brembo, better looking and lighter...



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 4:13 AM

Any lightened wheels good enough. I think for the most part just getting rid of cush drive is the real key to lightening the OE wheels further, despite matieral. I mean just any rim that doesn't have cush, that's where the weight savings is going to be.

I don't think anything could ever be done to the nissin stuff to give it this type of bling factor. I saw something where someone did some machining on the OE calipers to lighten them, shaved off some stuff where they could (probably not much maybe a few ounces). Seen where someone painted them too, although who knows how well that ended holding up.

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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 4:22 AM

Pulling out the rubber damper alone wouldn't save much weight on the OEM wheels. The rim itself is where the weight is but I can't say I really had a problem with that. Maybe if your really pushing the bike at the top end you could tell the diff. The acceleration on mine slows down at about 160 so maybe that would be noticeable at 150 with OEM wheels. IDK?? I quit at 160 with OEM wheels so maybe it's about the same.

i saw that someone had a nice gold powder coat put on the stock calipers. Thought i might go that way but if i can have shiny anodized billet....that appeals to me much more. LOL probably about 20x as expensive though!



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 4:45 PM

Customer message: I'm looking for front and rear Beringer calipers that will fit a 2008 Kaw ZX-14. Are you able to get these for me?

Hello,

The front yes, the rear they do not make anything that is a direct fit.

Oh dear me....it sounds like i will be ordering these. CoolBrzBlu found a Brembo rear brake bracket for the ZX-14 and Beringer makes a Brembo rear caliper.....THAT MEANS FULL SET!!!! I must have them. I've dreamed of Brembo calipers for the past three years. This sounds like a very good compromise and for me and my brake usage, I wouldn't even call it a compromise. More like a preference. I need to change brake pads... might as well change everything. That's $130 I save on a new set of pads right away!! See, this is very practical if you think about it in the right frame of mind.

Actually, the entry level Brembo is only a couple hundred more. Not much of a color choice. Gold Brembos seem to be powdercoated. Not nearly as nice as anodized and except for the chrome finish, the cast look of the finish is no more appealing than the OEMs. They do Say "brembo" on the side.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 4:57 PM

Cool, if you have any info on a better rear caliper mount than the one you linked, I'd sure like to hear your thoughts. That one looks almost identical to OEM except the holes seem closer together for the Brembo.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 5:19 PM

You know, if I was on the cheap, I could probably bolt a piece of steel to the OEM caliper withholes drilled so it would accept a Brembo sized caliper.

But I'm not on the cheap. It'll be an Italian sized French caliper on a Japanese bracket.



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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 5:22 PM

I'm interested to see what color choices you make. Rook..dude you seriously cannot ride the bike any more man. Thing belongs in a collection!

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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 5:35 PM

LOL I see it headed that way some day, Vic but not until I've done everything I can possibly think of doing with that bike. Spray bar, progressive controller, lifting links. That's what's on the top of the list. Some day bored engine....maybe a 14R engine, counter balancer elimination maybe some big ol Carrillo rods, skinny head gasket----the list goes on.

I'm going with gold on the calipers. Blue wheels/gold calipers. Blue is for body hardware and wheels. All stuff bolted to the frame is gold. Unfortunate choice of silver for side stand and rearsets but I will fix that best I can. it's so hard to see the vision clearly early on.


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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 7:37 PM

Yeah but how about some orange? Maybe gold rear and orange fronts? You have a lot of gold on the bike. And you could always get a different color windscreen. Shoot blue calipers with an orange screen.

I wonder where the ~13 lbs comes from between Gen 1 and 2s (non ABS Gen 2s were 584, IIRC Gen 1s were 571)? Part of it I think is the bodywork. Man, if the Gen 1 and 2 engines weighed the same and you could put a Gen 2 in that bike that would be rock'n.

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RE: Lightweight brakes
01/12/17 8:10 PM

Yeah but how about some orange? Maybe gold rear and orange fronts?

Nooo....orange is just for engine covers!! I have to keep some kind of order.

Man, if the Gen 1 and 2 engines weighed the same and you could put a Gen 2 in that bike that would be rock'n.

I could see it with the air box frame design but I have never heard of anyone doing it. It probably would take some frame mods and probably set up for Gen2 fairings. Between those two things, there's going to be some weight gain. 13 pounds sounds reasonable.



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