I'm guessing the spacer is for the larger bikes with wider swing arm. ZX-14 and maybe ZX-10. You'd be putting a spacer on the swing arm if it was not on the bracket. The same space has to be taken up as it is with the OEM bracket. No big issue for me. I'd just JB Weld it in if I wanted to make it one piece. i don't see any way of eliminating it for our bikes.

I'd go with a shorter line if it really is too long but mine is pretty long and I have had no problems with it.

i don't use the stock line retainer either. Just a P-clip bolted to the tab where the retainer was fastened. Another thing Kawi must have known owners were going to do after modifications.

I'm pretty excited about the brakes!
Should have the caliper by mid February.
I'm planning to glue the pieces together, probably drill a couple of holes in the bracket too.
Can anyone corroborate that removing dust seals reduces brake pad drag?
Does anyone not have the rear brake sensor hooked up, and what are the effects of removing the rear brake sensor/light wiring?

* Last updated by: CoolBrzBlu on 11/25/2019 @ 1:32 PM *

There are apparently two models of front Beringer calipers that fit the 14. I can't tell the dif from pictures and there is no written explanation. Still waiting to hear from Superbike Unlimited about this. With all this waiting, another option has been dangled in front of me.

Cool found this. He must be doing some major homework. Unfortunately, there is no link I can find to message on this Swedish site. Wonder if it fits Kawasaki and wonder what the shipping cost is?

http://shop.durbahn.de/shop/en/products/Brake-calippers_%26_Accessoires/ISR_Brakes_Sweden

https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/ISR-Brake-Calipers.html

Little heavier than I thought, 718 grams with pads, 538 grams without. Seems like the lightest calipers available.

Weight in grams
ISR w/o 538 with 718
Frando race w/o 600
Frando w/o 1000
Goldfren ? 800
Bembo M4 w/o 738 with 1000(zx14r se)
Brembo P4 with 1030
Brembo CNC w/o 720
Brembo HP w/o 1000
Brembo GP4 w/o 578
Brembo CNC P4 Ti w/o 600
Beringer 4 piston with 990 endurance version is heavier
Beringer 6 piston with 1070

* Last updated by: CoolBrzBlu on 1/28/2017 @ 3:15 PM *

Thanks, Cool. IDK how you dig this stuff up!

The ISR with aluminum pistons has to be a big weight reduction. I assumed all pistons would be steel.

$870/piece for ISR but I still call that in the ball park compared to Beringer. Think they were less expensive from the Swedish supplier but shipping is a big IF with either.

I guess it couldn't hurt to shoot SuperBike Unlimited another email asking for the weight of Beringer calipers...since hopefully they're hunting down other basic info for me. The sale is getting a little cold.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/27/2017 @ 7:48 PM *

Looks like the Beringer calipers aren't much lighter than Brembos. The most expensive Brembos should be a little lighter.

What I read was that you had to go to a more expensive Brembo to get better braking performance than Beringer. A lower priced Brembo will have lower performance than Beringer has. I think that's all a pretty mute point if you are riding on the street. I know of a ZX-14 member who got the low end Brembos and he said they were no worse than stock. They were mainly for eye candy.

Did you find some weight specs on Beringer?

Found the Beringer weights. They have two versions of the four piston caliper, one with aluminum pistons, the endurance version has Ti pistons.

* Last updated by: CoolBrzBlu on 1/28/2017 @ 3:16 PM *

dude!! You are SO awesome! How is it that you can find this info but the American supplier can't? That explains why Beringer used the same pic for both models on their site. I think I would go with aluminum. Lighter and has got to be a lot less expensive. The aluminum pistons might wear some but I don't think they would need replacing for years on my bike.

Did you get the weights of these? What is it?

LOL i will have to send our supplier another email telling them about their product.

Either they aren't selling many of these or they have a bunch of new employees.

I updated the list above. Beringer's site is hard to navigate, but it does at least have the weight info listed. They only show the weight for the regular 4 piston, and six piston.
Probably should try to find more rear caliper weights and post a sticky somewhere for future reference.

Without having weighed them, I don't think the stocks are more than 3 lbs each with pads. i think 700-750 g is what to shoot for or forget it.

I subscribe to any thread i want to keep tabs on.

Cool, you can get Frando calipers dirt cheap. Don't know if what i saw was race or normal but under $300/set? That's like something you throw on to sell a wrecked bike.

As for the others, IDK what kind of search engine you have but i can't find a one except Brembo.

Frando seems to aimed more at the scooter crowd. I did see a 108 mm spacing set on Ebay but not in my color. The cheap bug is biting me so i might grab a set of Frandos if they're lighter than stock.

I'd bet they are a bit lighter than stock. If you go that way, please let us know how they work. They look nice, but the exposed bolts are kind of odd.

Looking at my estimates for brake pad weight, I'd say the Frando will probably be close to the Beringer. I do not find the look of that particular Frando very appealing. If it looked as nice as the lathed and anodized Frando rear caliper, I would very tempted to go with a set of those because they are so affordable.

I'm set on the Beringers. I might even get the heavier bracket in gold to match the calipers. Probably make the order this week or as soon as I am confident SBU knows what I want. I'm not sure they know much at all about Beringers. I can email them and tell them there are steel pistons and aluminum pistons and I want the ones with aluminum pistons. Then I have to be sure they know which ones those are and are able to get them. I will probably level with the guy on the phone and tell him I do not feel 100% confident they are well informed on their product so we better make sure the order is right according to what I know and what they were unable to tell me.

The heavier calipers would have titanium pistons so they wouldn't be much heavier. As far as the brackets go, why not get the lightest one, make sure it fits perfectly then have it anodized to match the caliper?

Ti is twice the weight of aluminum but if they make the aluminum piston thicker for strength, there may not be that much diff. I'd say about Ti's going to be almost 3 oz heavier/caliper if the aluminums are the same thickness. In any event, the aluminum will not be heavier but it will be a lot cheaper so aluminum's how I'm going.

Looking at the photo of the ZX-10 bracket weight you sent me, Either the Denka or the Active is going to be a LOT lighter than stock. I'm sorta stuck on the aesthetics of the Denka. By the time I would have an Active anodized, the total cost would be close to the Denka plus I would have to sand the Active down....I'm pretty sure you can't anodize over another anodizing. i might still go with the Active.

...and I'm dying to know if that ZX-14 caliper you sent a pic of has pads in it. ...and what is the weight of the rear caliper. i have to change tires so i'll be pulling all that stuff off but my storage unit has the door frozen shut.

If a 14's caliper with pads is only 1100 grams, that's barely more than some pretty pricey aftermarket calipers. Would be an expensive cosmetic mod.

Here we have it, pads and all, 1100 g. You save a total of 220 g going with all aluminum Beringers. That's a little less than half a pound for $1200. ....assuming Beringer's weight claim is accurate. Any caliper on the list posted a while back is going to be about the same weight as OEM or heavier except possibly Goldfren and Beringer and I think ISM will be about the same as Beringer because their weight for with pads is just to low to be true. No pads could be 276 g, that's half the weight of a set of OEM pads.

So the question now is do I spend 1200 dollars for a half pound (I would hope) weighloss?

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/31/2017 @ 5:10 PM *

That's a lot.. Forged calipers all around would look awesome though.
Active bracket is 415g. Twice the weight of stock zx10, but probably still less than our stock bracket.

Thanks for the update on the Active bracket, Cool. I agree gold calipers F/R would look very nice. I might go through with it. LOL still have not heard from SBU. Amazing.

Any idea what the stock rear caliper on the 14 weighs?

I'm going on vacation this weekend, so not much to add for the next couple of weeks. I'm sure the stock zx14 rear caliper is a ways heavier than the zx10 caliper. By how much I'm not sure. I'll have that weight when I get back if not before..

Lemmick Racing has been very quick in responding with all the information about Beringer brakes.

The 4R01A / 4R11A are standard Beringer front calipers for the ZX-14. ~990 g

4R01AE / 4R11AE are endurance calipers with a magnetic retraction system and some Ti parts. ~1110 g

The 4R--AEs are over twice the price of 4R--As. The pads for the 4R--AEs are 12mm thick! and might last twice as as long as normal pads. The AE pads cost $426 for 2 pair. That's pads alone!

So with no weight loss to be had with AEs and pads that cost 7x as much as normal pads even if they last twice as long, the EA is ONLY specialized endurance racing equipment.

EBC HH pads for Beringer 4 piston caliper are ~$75 for both front caipers. Non endurance Beringer pads are $75/caliper. I could live with either but $426??? no way.

Even though they're a few hundred more, I may go with Lemick if i don't hear word back from SBU today. Not responding to calls and emails makes me leery about future problems.

* Last updated by: Rook on 2/8/2017 @ 4:00 PM *