Some conservative objections to Obamacare are as follows:

1. Despite the size and ambitiousness of the bill, according to CBO estimates, it will only reduce the number of uninsured by 25%. Many young healthy Americans are expected to forgo the cost of insurance and pay the tax penalty that amounts to 10-15% of the cost of insurance. They will then purchase insurance when needed. A 25% reduction in uninsured seems a very meager reward for a bill that completely overhauls healthcare and affects one sixth of America's economy.

2. There is a significant negative effect on the economy. The ACA creates 29ers and 49ers which is why Obama delayed the mandate for businesses for one year to get through the 2014 elections. Businesses will hire more part-time workers and keep full time worker numbers to less than 50 to avoid the mandate whenever possible. However businesses plan ahead and the economy disruptions have started well ahead of Obamacare implementation.

3. Despite the ACA name, for many Americans, particularly the younger and healthier workers who buy individual insurance, their rates will increase substantially, 99% for men and 62% for women.

Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

4. Americans on both sides object to the exemption of Congress and their staff from the healthcare law.

5. Taxes on medical equipment companies have resulted in layoffs for Americans. Even Senator Elizabeth Warren wants this changed.

ACA's 2013 medical device tax has already killed jobs, expansion plans

6. Obamacare will not rein in healthcare costs over the long run.

Obamacare will increase health spending by $7,450 for a typical family of four between 2014 and 2022.

Source: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-conservative-argument-against-Obamacare-and-what-solution-to-the-problems-with-our-healthcare-system-would-they-offer-instead

If universal health care is such a no brainer, why didn't the founding fathers just include it in the Constitution? And why did it take 230 years to implement? And why did Liberals have to force it thru Congress to force it into law? Are HALF of us bought and paid for by lobbyists? Or are we just too stupid to agree with you?

How about this: Universal Health Care is such a no brainer to you guys, and yet there are still many that don't want it ... and when I state reasons you just dismiss the reasons, or call BS. So let's try this: Why do YOU think we feel that way? Are we just evil? Afraid of change? Do that many of us just like to be disagreeable? Are we just stupid?

How did this thread evolved into Obamacare?

I turned 60 years old last month, and have insurance coverage through my job. I've been in the social services field for the past 21 years. Just my luck, for the first time in my life, last year I ended up at the emergency room (3) times for three separate health issues, hospitalized once. My employer health insurance covered most of my treatments. I still had to pay $$$$$$$substantial out of pocket medical care costs.

But if you've never been sick why do you need health insurance? Unless their last name is Trump, how does anyone without health insurance deals with a catastrophic illness?

* Last updated by: KoflaOlivieri on 5/3/2016 @ 12:40 PM *

I never incorporated that Obamacare was without problems. But I would like to hear about the "failures of socialism" of all those other countries who provide a medical care system for their citizens. Again, I don't want to hear about problems, just failures. Our pre-Obamacare system excluded those with pre-existing conditions. It also penalized everyone who paid for their care or coverage by shifting the costs of the indigent and deadbeats who don't pay to those who do. So even if taxpayers are now paying the bills, the costs are more evenly distributed. The real failure has been that of our system to control skyrocketing costs, waste and fraud.

So if The Donald is elected (back on topic) he has promised to replace Obamacare with "something fantastic" that controls costs, waste and fraud and does not exclude anyone already diagnosed with severe illness. But he has put forth absolutely NOTHING about how he plans to do this. Let's hear it, Donald supporters. How will this take place? The same things goes fo job creation. The Don has said he will create millions of good-paying jobs, but when asked how, he replied, "I don't know, I just will." He has promised to "stand up" to the Russians, the Chinese and ISIS, while at the same time, keeping us out of expensive fruitless wars. He has promised to deport all illegal immigrants, build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.

The whole problem with conservatism, real and feigned (Trump) is that it resists change and seeks to go back to an earlier time (Make America Great Again) of which the perception is that things were better than they are now. I would like to know when that was. I guarantee there were problems and issues we don't have now. The world changes every day, and if you don't change with it, you get left in the dust. Yes, some things were simpler in the past. All our problems were internal after we kicked the British out until around the turn of the century. But there were still problems. So every day, new problems, more work on solutions. But no time machines yet.

And the Founding Fathers (who, by the way, had no inkling of the issues to be faced by this country in the last 200 years ) didn't have to include healthcare in The Constitution because you could pay a doctor for care with a chicken and most people died before they turned 50, so they didn't NEED a healthcare system.

Looks a lot like he's going to do it.

I bet Hillary has the jet warmed up and ready to leave the country.

I dunno Rook, very very close. I still think she pulls it out with PA and CA.

Closer than I thought. i was misunderstanding the electoral vote process but he's still ahead. My god could this all just be another big media circus? If Trump doesn't win, I'm sh!t on FB.

JUST WON FLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hill is dog meat.

If Trump wins all the states he's leading in, he's got it.

That's a big IF.

Not that big. If he's ahead now, why think he'd fall behind? Polls are closed. It's going to be Trump. Just you watch.

I'll bet they have all the votes counted and have notified Trump already. The rest is all for TV ratings...and that is what the next 4 years will be all about, TV ratings...but at least it will be something different. I hope Pence is a good VP.

We'll, it appears that Tic Tac Trump is going to be our next president.

And to think that I am planning to retire in 2 years, and now the stock market is starting to freak out. Time to call my 401k rep tomorrow morning.

Kofla - Uuuuhhh ... shouldn't you have called today??

I love that graphic by the way!!! ... even thought I voted for T-rump.

T-rump is rude and greedy and despicable ... but still better than Hellary.

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 11/8/2016 @ 9:46 PM *

You're in good health Kolfa. Keep working. We need you.

T-rump is rude and greedy and despicable ... but still better than Hellary.

I thought that just went with the territory. At least he doesn't try to hide it....to much. Yeah, though, Trump has started to play the political game since he's gotten himself in hot water. Oh well, folks....it's going to be a very amusing next 4 years. Might just be the most interesting term in history. I can use it.

Pence might be a great VP.

You're in good health Kolfa. Keep working. We need you.

Rook, that's the kind of thing liberals need. Libs are the ones that need every single person to participate in their socialist schemes. They have no room for independence. We must all fall in line.

I've been voting Hillary for Rikers Island for ages now.
Now she may just get there.
And if she is lucky Billy may just join her...

Yannih ... HAHA!

Unfortunately I wouldn't hold my breath on her doing any time ... she's coated with teflon somehow.

Mate, she is covered with Presidential, FBI Director, Attorney General and Democratic Party Hierarchy teflon!
Doesn't get any less sticky...

Wow!!!
All over.
Not even close.
The American people have spoken.
Crooked Hillary and the old political status quo gone.
President Donald Trump.
Would have got some good odds on that one at the beginning of the campaign.

One sad thing.
Little Trump Jr is going to get a fair bit of airplay for his performance at his Dad's acceptance speech. Not fair as he is just a little kid up late at night who hasn't really grasp what has just happened.
Sad for the little fella and I feel really sorry for him but welcome to zero privacy and the new way of life as the Presidents family.

Good luck all.
I hope it works out well for all of you...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/9/2016 @ 1:12 AM *

This is very much like Gore's loss in 2000. Gore should've walked into the Whitehouse, but really screwed things up. During her campaign HIllary reminded me of Gore very much. Very robotic, mechanical, rehearsed, fake. It was HIllary's to win or lose, no doubt she had many advantages over Trump. She lossed it more than he won it. With that, said, I am relieved that he won. I couldn't stand 4 years of her awful cackling voice and completely fake, robotic personality.

Hopefully Donald will lead this country pulling back from globalism as he's eluded to in his campaign. This proves to me what Republicans have failed to understand all along is that the "sleeping giant" were people like me who had no candidate. Mitt Romney was a joke, far too center for me. Well, not that they don't understand, most Republicans are also globalist.

Republic's won POTUS, House and Senate, and it looks like a majority of governors. Now the thing is, there's no excuses.

The only thing floating this economy is the government debt. By the time Trump takes office, the federal debt will probably be 20 trillion. For a presidency in which the federal debt has nearly doubled to over 20 TRILLION dollars the economy has been shit. LOL last quarter 2.9% growth? For what a TRILLION DOLLARS in debt!? You've got to be kidding me!

Currently, only in FEDERAL DEBT if you are a WORKER in the US your portion of the debt is OVER $165,000 dollars. Mind you, this does NOT include any other types of debts, state, local, UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, or personal debt. EACH OF US OWES A HOUSE (a nice one in my area) in FEDERAL DEBT. For what, 2.9% annualized GDP growth!?

It's VITAL for Trump to ensure people understand this that if we are to turn things around it's gonna hurt. Annualized rate of 2.9% growth for a TRILLION dollars in debt? LOL what a joke.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 11/9/2016 @ 4:02 AM *

Victhing - I 100% agree. The underdog has taken the the title. Let's see how the first year or so plays out. Hopefully he'll implement the changes he'd discussed throughout his campaign. I think the American people are were/are ready for someone who plans to create some real change and not some who promises but never keeps it. If he falls on the same path , then we'll eventually know he's one of the same old politician.

I thought she had it. I heard the Hillary support was so strong in reaction to Trump's womanizing past... I was truly shocked to find him ahead but once I saw that he was, I knew. The support for Trump or against Hillary was overwhelming in my community. The HS students' mock election voted Trump by 80% and only 5 kids voted for Hillary. I think we're all shocked. The kids who spoke up said they thought Hillary was going to be the next president. was this the most exciting election in your lifetime or what?

I've been voting Hillary for Rikers Island for ages now.
Now she may just get there.
And if she is lucky Billy may just join her...

I believe Trump will follow through. He's going to use the media instead of getting used by the media.
if there's controversy, he's going to be all in it. He will at the very least ruin the life of the Clintons. I actually thought Bill did a good job as Prez but they shoulda just left well enough alone.

I would so love to see hidden cam footage of Hillary waking up this morn. It's gotta be awful and she deserves it.

I was too surprised by Trump's win,but come to think of it, the election this time wasn't really Trump vs. Clinton. It was more like a new breed vs. established/old day politician. People voted against the old political status quo. And some voted for anyone but Clinton. She is a typical, old fashioned, corrupted politician. By default, Trump won. Hope he would do a good job as a president.