Trump may not be the next president anyway. There will be another vote in December and if Trump loses there, Clinton still has a chance.

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

The Electoral College??

Good golly there'd be a full on revolution if that happened. Not just a few crybaby libs protesting here and there.

You guys that think that health care should be optional are living with your heads in the sand. For every citizen who pays taxes it SHOULD be a right.

Where would you draw the line, Mad? Food is more important than healthcare. I need food every single day, whereas I may not need healthcare at all this year, next year or possibly never. Should we create a new federal program, "Universal Food Provisioning"? We have food stamps and such, but wouldn't this new program work much better if nobody could choose and buy their own nice meal at the restaurant of their own choice, but rather we all put money into a giant pot and the govt decides where I must eat and what type of meal I must eat.

I can hear it now: "You can keep your restaurant. Choose any one you want. Prices will not go up. This will actually save families an average of X dollars per year."

Please explain why this progressive new food program idea is crazy to you.

What is it with this attitude of " I've got mine, fuck you" that a lot of you have???

It's not that. It's "I've worked HARD for mine, and I do not agree with somebody taking it from me to put into a program I believe is against the Constitution. I'll decide who to give my money to."

The days of the rugged frontiersman carving out his existence on the prairie are OVER.

Why? Why should it be any different? Every person should have the freedom to carve out their own existence, whether on the prairie, or in some urban cluster.

And if this kind of thing is an example of good old American Capitalism.

I love it. You do your thing. I'll do mine. We'll observe each other from afar in passing, congratulate each other when the other does good, say hi, but we each go about our own life. I love it. We should not be required to take part in some huge, unconstitutional bureaucratic govt program to support each other. That is not freedom.

I just want you people with so much selfishness in your hearts to pay attention to what Emperor, I mean President Trump does to YOU in the middle class. My bet is you won't be so happy in a few years.

You could be right. I was willing to give him a shot. And now I have hope.

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You guys that think that health care should be optional are living with your heads in the sand. For every citizen who pays taxes it SHOULD be a right.

Ok, for the sake of discussion I agree with you. SO the 50% of the people who dont pay federal income taxes no right to health care, I'll take that deal.

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Extra, go ahead and provide all your own food. Tell us how that works out.
America wasn't founded on exclusion, on taking things away. It was founded on inclusion, as one people. It's sad to see how many and how many of you on HERE have an attitude of self righteousness.
I'm not perfect and I know I don't have all the answers, but my eyes are open and I try to have an open heart. I guess to some of you that makes me a "Stupid Libtard". So be it. I sure hope your narrow minded view of other people and this country makes you happy.

Mad

And do you really think that those brown people who "don't pay taxes" are REALLY the cause of everything that you're upset with? When millionairs pay a fraction of their share, when corporations often pay nothing? They have succeeded in brainwashing the lower and middle class to turn on each other, so we don't pay attention to what they are doing. And you are enabling this kind of thing. But I guess I'm just howling in the wilderness with some of you people.

Mad

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

The Electoral College??

Good golly there'd be a full on revolution if that happened. Not just a few crybaby libs protesting here and there

I believe there was a couple times this happened in our history. 1800 and 1824. Slightly different situation but this could happen again. You never know. Nobody expected Trump to win but he did. So anything is possible.

Mad - I see you're in Cali. I saw some folks on TV last night wanting CA to secede. That would be pretty interesting, and probably makes good sense to do. The people there think differently than most of the rest of the country. You wouldn't have to be bothered by the rest of us who don't agree with your liberal desires. I see 61.5% of CA voted for Hillary, so you would likely get exactly what you want. She could be elected President of California ... well, if she can defeat Governor Brown.

Anyway, I see we are not going to agree, and there's no problem with that. One of my best buds is a big time lib (works for the university here and knows full well where his paycheck comes from) and we get along great ... we just don't talk much about politics. Relationships often work better and more interesting if there's some friction

Rook you may choose to die, we'll see if you stick to that if there comes a time when it's staring you in the face. But before you get to do that, your illness will most likely drain every cent and every asset you have, possibly your families as well.

I guess I can't speak for all the working poor in the country but for myself, I find EVERYTHING, even your health, has a price. If you can't afford, you go without. Childrens' education, can't afford, go without. Food, can't afford, go without. Roof over your head, go without. You can get used to poverty and you do find other (often very weird) ways to survive but these also have a price (maybe not monetary price). What other solution is there? You do what you gotta do. If that means you die 10 years quicker, you die. Hopefully a lot more of us will prosper under Trump so we all can enjoy the kind of standard of living the US was once known for.

On illegal immigration, I have had Mexican illegal friends who worker hard, paid taxes (at least that's what their employer said the deduction was for) and had no SSN to ever collect retirement payouts. They were all nice people and I felt they deserved to be Americans more than some of us who were born here. I don't think many of us would want to do the jobs they did. Still, do we need a bigger population for any reason? Do we need illegal immigrants having children who ARE entitled to gov benefits and it is pretty unlikely their parents will be deported once they these children are born US citizens. I'm all for being nice and doing right by your neighbor but there's not a lot to give anymore. LOL I find this sad and humorous at the same time. Recently saw a clip of Bill Marr where he said the illegal immigration from Mexico trend was reversing in recent years. Mexico's economy is getting bettre while the US' is getting worse. They're going back because our country is not good enough anymore!

Rook you may choose to die, we'll see if you stick to that if there comes a time when it's staring you in the face. But before you get to do that, your illness will most likely drain every cent and every asset you have, possibly your families as well.

Mad, you have a point there. I can choose to not have health insurance and die when my time comes but that doesn't mean my family would not spend every last dime to keep me alive and I would not want that. The only thing I could do would be to make a provision for this in my living will but what if I am conscious while I'm in the hospital dying? Dying people don't make the same choices they think they would when they are healthy and safe. I think we could use some kind of national healthcare plan and what I have now isn't too bad. As big of an issue as healthcare is, there are more pressing ones. I hope the new Prez is able to address all.

Another Campaign Promise Bites The dust:

"President-elect Donald Trump said he would consider leaving in place certain parts of the Affordable Care Act, an indication of possible compromise after a campaign in which he pledged repeatedly to repeal the 2010 health-care law."

Just days after an election in which he vowed repeatedly to repeal President Obama’s signature health care law, Donald J. Trump is sending signals that his approach to health care is a work in progress.

Mr. Trump even indicated that he would like to keep two of the most popular parts of the Affordable Care Act, including one that forces insurers to cover people with pre-existing health conditions and another that allows parents to cover children under their plan into their mid-20s.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, he said he was reconsidering his stance after meeting with Mr. Obama on Thursday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/business/insurers-unprepared-for-obamacare-repeal.html?_r=0

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Meanwhile, the fraud case against Trump university continues. President elect Trump at this time would be required to testify, though the judge says he would be allowed to testify via video.

The trial begins on Nov 28th, though Trump lawyers are seeking to delay the trial until after Trump is President.

If Trump university, which is 92% owned by Trump, is convicted of fraud and racketeering, these are serious crimes that legally rise to the level of impeachable acts.

The trial judge advises Trump he would be "wise" to settle before the trial begins. Next move, Up to Trump.

Is there enough evidence to impeach Trump if he is found guilty of fraud and racketeering? Pence for President. lol

JUDGE ADVISES TRUMP UNIVERSITY LAWSUIT PARTIES TO SETTLE :

The U.S. judge overseeing a lawsuit against President-elect Donald Trump and his Trump University told both sides they would be wise to settle the case "given all else that's involved."

Lawyers for the president-elect are squaring off against students who claim they were they were lured by false promises to pay up to $35,000 to learn Trump's real estate investing "secrets" from his "hand-picked" instructors.

Earlier on Thursday, U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel tentatively rejected a bid by Trump to keep a wide range of statements from the presidential campaign out of the fraud trial.

Trial is scheduled to begin Nov. 28, and Curiel told lawyers he was not inclined to delay the six-year-old case further.

http://www.newsweek.com/judge-advises-trump-university-suit-parties-settle-520099

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the dramma continues...if nothing else it is exciting.

the dramma continues...if nothing else it is exciting.

It sure is! Can't wait to see the new first lady sexy Playboy photoshoot!!

Your ass must really hurt,we had 8 years of social experiment.You guys had your time and look at what we have now.I bet there are some college kids protesting nearby,go join them.

So if a person criticizes Tic Tac Trump, it automatically means we voted for Obama or supported Hillary? You know what they say about assuming.

Can't we just get along? I don't want to see south central LA burned down again, by people that live in south central LA?

Can't we just get along? I don't want to see south central LA burned down again, by people that live in south central LA?

Of course we can all get along. We can agree to disagree and still be respectful. Besides, we don't want to be included in Tic Tac Trump revenge blacklist.

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Extra, my being from California has nothing to do with anything I believe. I just happen to look for the good in people before I criticize them. I have found that Assholes come in all colors. Disagreement is fine. What is not fine is to label someone who thinks differently than you as a "libtard" or other names.
I really hope Trump does good for the country. I hope that from every president. He will have to be a COMPLETELY different person than the one that campaigned.
Enjoy your time at the top. It may not last that long.

Mad

You guys that think that health care should be optional are living with your heads in the sand. For every citizen who pays taxes it SHOULD be a right. Rook you may choose to die, we'll see if you stick to that if there comes a time when it's staring you in the face. But before you get to do that, your illness will most likely drain every cent and every asset you have, possibly your families as well. What is it with this attitude of " I've got mine, fuck you" that a lot of you have??? The days of the rugged frontiersman carving out his existence on the prairie are OVER. And if this kind of thing is an example of good old American Capitalism. I'll take a good helping of Democratic Socialism, thank you.
I just want you people with so much selfishness in your hearts to pay attention to what Emperor, I mean President Trump does to YOU in the middle class. My bet is you won't be so happy in a few years.

So how is it a right that if you have health problems I should have to pay for it?

Vic it's called living in a SOCIETY. So if you go to the emergency room because you don't have any insurance, why should I or anyone else have to pay for YOU? if you want to be a self sufficient loner you better move to some wilderness area.

Mad

My son has the basic crappy job with no benefits so I tried last year to get him to sign up for Obama care. He makes ~$30K/yr so I thought he would qualify for some Gov't subsidies - nfw. The cheapest plan was ~ $250/m with like $5K in deductable (I might be a bit off so please dont flame me) He said with the $250/m bill he would not have money for food. And with the $5K deductible he could never afford to use the Obama care insurance anyway. In the end it was his decision and he decided there was no way he could afford it. So in the near future the IRS will be after him for the penalty for not buying it, as required by law. Nice. I think this tax year his penalty is ~ $650.

How did we get here? I just can't believe the conspiracy theory that Obama designed it this way intentionally so it would fail and thus generate support for even more taxes for a Govt run single payer system. In Systems engineering we train people to look out for the negative consequences of a design with good intentions by taking a broad systems thinking approach and applying specific design techniques to uncover unwanted paradoxes. The design of Obama care will be taught as a case study in unintended consequences of a bad system design for many years to come.

I remember talking to a man and his wife at a business conference in France a few years ago about health care. They were from Sweden, the man was a degreed engineer and ran a country office for a big US company. He had what I would consider a very good job. I recall him saying that they did have govt health care and free school but 85% of his income went to taxes. Can you imagine having a job that pays $100K/yr and the govt allows you to keep $15K.

I dont claim to be smart enough to know what the answere is, but I know it's not more Obama care.

Vic it's called living in a SOCIETY. So if you go to the emergency room because you don't have any insurance, why should I or anyone else have to pay for YOU? if you want to be a self sufficient loner you better move to some wilderness area.

You didn't answer my question. What RIGHT do you have that should you have health problems that I, or anyone else, should have to pay for it? Fine, if you want to flip the question around, what RIGHT do I have that if I need healthcare that YOU should have to pay for it?

Exactly CrudeRudy. Obamacare is based on the premise of only bolstering profits for insurance companies through reducing their cost of healthcare products in the first place. It forces people to pay for insurance which they will rarely be able to use. It's not a system designed to help people get insurance. Yes, that's how it's marketed, but that's not what it's really about.

This is why Obama did not pass a nationalized healthcare system his first term. His "people" didn't want that, they wanted this version. Let's ILLEGALS and other degenerates use expensive ERs and then we all shoulder the burden through HDHPs which unless you have like a triple bypass will be of little use to us. So yes, we all pay hundreds a month so that health providers and health insurers pass the burden onto us.

I am a lifelong democrat and still consider myself one, I supported Obama when he first got elected and I voted for John Kerry.......but I am very excited and glad that Trump won

I honestly believe he has no ties to the corrupt donors and he will make decisions for the good of society,

I guess the J.P. Morgan, Citibank, and Morgan Stanley investments in Hillary will bring a "poor return on investment"

Go Trump!!!! And build that wall!

I honestly believe he has no ties to the corrupt donors and he will make decisions for the good of society,
I guess the J.P. Morgan, Citibank, and Morgan Stanley investments in Hillary will bring a "poor return on investment"

Donald Trump’s Financial Advisory Team Stocked With Wall Streeters :

Donald Trump’s successful insurgent bid for the White House promised to upend a global power structure that benefited large corporations. Now, several Wall Street financiers and other successful business leaders could be in line to run top posts in his presidential administration.

People close to Mr. Trump have said he is considering Steven Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who became his national campaign finance chairman in May, as his pick for Treasury secretary.

After a 17-year career at Goldman, where Mr. Mnuchin led the mortgage-trading department and was the bank’s chief information officer, he turned to investing. He briefly worked for a hedge fund tied to George Soros, the big Democratic donor.

In his closing campaign ad, Mr. Trump featured both Goldman and Mr. Soros as “the establishment…who control the levers of power in Washington.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-financial-advisory-team-stocked-with-wall-streeters-1478730578

Another week, yet another campaign promise bites the dust. He said he'd build a wall, he said he'd ban all Muslims, he said he'd repeal Obamacare. Tic Tac Trump 0-3 strikes out, with Mike Pence on the on deck circle warming up as pinch hitter.

Ryan says he and Trump 'not planning' mass deportations :

House Speaker Paul Ryan said Sunday that he and President-elect Donald Trump are "not planning" to pursue mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, despite Trump's vow to the contrary during the campaign.

On CNN's "State of the Union," host Jake Tapper played a clip of Trump saying during the campaign that “we’re going to have a mass deportation force … they’re going back where they came.”

Asked for his response, Ryan said on the show, “We should put people’s minds at ease, that is not what our focus is. We’re focused on securing the border.” The interview grew a bit testy when Ryan was pressed on whether Congress could pursue a mass deportation initiative in a second or third year of Trump's term.

“We’re not focused on, we are not planning on erecting a deportation force,” Ryan said, adding: “Donald Trump’s not planning on that.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/paul-ryan-trump-deportations-231291

At the end of the day, we all pay for someone else's insurance. That's how insurance works, pay in more than they pay out. I have paid a hundred x more for my auto and bikes insurance over the years than I ever used ( I used $0 so far). I am paying for the rest of you f888kers who wreck your bikes though.

I think health care should be sorta like air. It's just there for everyone to use. I know air is free and insurance isn't. I wouldn't have a problem if they made you do something to get it but being a humane and prosperous (we hope) civilization, I would hope everyone could have access to adequate health care. It wouldn't have to be the absolute best but just seems there aught to be something for you no matter what your income is.

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