Guy's you have your right to your opinion.
Even though I don't agree I definitely respect it.
Good luck to you.
Enjoy your guns.
But there are some really foolish comments being made.

I thought NZ is practically gun-free(?) and yet this happened anyway.

The point is not that it can happen.
The point is how many times has it happened.

I challenged Bump to answer this question and he ignored it.
In New Zealand's history where guns are regulated, the mass shooting tally now sits at 1 incident with approximately 50 dead.
Now you tell me how many incidents, and the number of related dead for mass shooting incidents in the United States of America where guns are not regulated?

Its not rocket science.

But I know guns will again be passionately defended regardless of facts so it is what it is...

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/17/2019 @ 3:43 AM *

Yanman.
" in the United States of America where guns are not regulated?"
They ARE regulated.Guns are like anything else people want,for whatever reason.Drugs are illegal.Yet they flow freely .High ups in society buy em.People on skid row buy em.They kill way more people than guns.Look at the death toll from PRESCRIPTION drugs.Legal drugs.You can't just ban all legal drugs cause some abuse em.Gangs love guns.So do good hard working people.In the US,it's part of us.Responsible people will continue to own guns and be responsible.As will criminals or mentally off people be irresponsible.I still say.Guns save MANY lives you don't hear about.That'd be a HUGE political issue(as it is already)to talk about THAT part of gun ownership.Saved a lot more innocent people than killed.You won't read that in the news.How about if someone would have had a weapon or two at that recent massacre?The outcome might have been very different.fact is,removing guns from any society is virtually guaranteeing the innocent victim rates are gonna skyrocket.It would here I think.Maybe not in some societies where guns are not that greatly desired.There are some of those.The US isn't one of em.Too many assholes out doing their dirt.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 3/17/2019 @ 6:48 AM *

So because I don't agree with guns Im now a Liberal and have no freedom.

You know Bump, I'm starting to understand where Mad is coming from.
When someone doesn't agree with you, the insults automatically begin because Bumpfire's way is the only one.
There is no concession, no attempt at understanding and no patience.
I've read a lot of what you have written and agree with much of it.
But I don't agree with you on everything and this matter.
Ive said over and over I respect others opinions even though I don't agree.
Perhaps you may consider this concept.

One thing I'll give Green.
I disagree with many of his comments and analogies.
But the guy is super respectful of others opinions when he presents his and I don't think I have ever heard him personally attack someone over their point of view.
Thats class right there.

You think you have more freedom than me?
You are completely wrong my friend and that is a fact but I don't have the time nor inclination to back the comment to you.
It will only result in more aggression and insult.

So again for the 100th time.
Enjoy your guns.
It's your business.

And again the question I asked twice still remains unanswered...

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/17/2019 @ 12:53 PM *

You can't help it can you?
You just can't.
You must be a hell of a guy to live with.

I also havent a clue bout the number of mass shootins here.

"You think you have more freedom than me?"..nah.Just because we can get guns doesn't make us any more free.With it comes a lot of ugly stuff.But again.It is how it is.And in today's world,unfortunately,ugliness has to be corralled,as best we can.And that includes using guns....sadly.I like guns...for shooting at targets and such.I hate guns for making it so easy to ruin lives(innocents).until people determine to sort things out without violence,this runaway train is gonna keep on rollin.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 3/17/2019 @ 9:10 PM *

This just in..."2 shot in head, 1 dead in Kentucky home invasion, police say."This is what's tragic.WHY would someone invade someone elses life.

"Investigators said Hopewell and Rodriguez were inside their home when "unknown person(s)" went into the house with a firearm and opened fire".Terrible.The whole idea the founding fathers said 'the right to keep and bear arms' was mainly to thwart any attempt by the govt to control people.It's way beyond that now,sadly.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 3/17/2019 @ 9:19 PM *

I hate guns for making it so easy to ruin lives(innocents).

It's certainly not the be all and end all of guns.
But as Green correctly points out it's a substantial result of them being freely available.

I think everything that can be done to control guns in the US is being done.Like anything else that people want,they'll get it one way or another.You can't just take it all away because of bad actors.In another world,another place,sometime someday.If making money wasn't the real motivation behind things,it would be very different I think.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 3/17/2019 @ 10:12 PM *

...the founding fathers said 'the right to keep and bear arms' was mainly to thwart any attempt by the govt to control people.

Not to infringe one one's rights to protect life and property... and the gov if need be. Either armed with a gun or a knife, you have the second amendment to keep a knife on you for self protection. It's not a crime to have a laser beam for self protection. It's a crime to aim it a a pilot, someone not threatening you, etc.

(Cough) basic common law if not self preservation or nature's law in so many words.

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/2nd-amendment-two-god-and-country-prints.jpg

Yep. A very valid and reasonable point.
When both the government and people had nothing more than muscats.

But you do realise that your government now have F-22 raptors, tanks, laser guide missiles and atomic weapons?
You think your guns will make the slightest bit of difference if your government unleashes this lot on you???

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/20/2019 @ 2:22 AM *

Good on you Bump.
Have it your way.
You must be right of course.
There is no way there are other valid opinions to be considered except yours.
And if anyone dares mention any they are met with condescending response.
You are the man.

Keep trolling and baiting mate.
It's your MO.
Enjoy.

Oh and by the way, yet again you failed to answer the question posed.

Bump, read your own response and you will clearly see you are nothing but a one directional intolerant moron.
Go bait and troll someone else.
I won’t be your monkey.

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/20/2019 @ 2:58 PM *

Sure Bump.
Anything you say...

At least we all agree on the same motorcycle

Hey hey now let’s not get carried away here!

Yannih

What kind of oil do you recommend to boost my HP?

Yep. Thats relevant for this thread...

Crud, this stuff makes the most HP. They just banned it in NZ though; bummer.

Yannih

Serious question, and I am really sorry for the people in NZ that this terrible crazed killer did what he did, are they going to go door to door and search peoples homes to check for newly banned and now illegal stuff?

are they going to go door to door and search peoples homes to check for newly banned and now illegal stuff?

Why would you ask such a foolish question?

I asked because I wanted to understand the proposed plan, thats all

I know a little bit about UK laws and enforcement. I have friends there in the Army who are sportsmen and hunters and I have hunted in the UK (on Army Bases) There, the local cops have a key/combo to your safe and can demand entry to your home at any time to check the compliance to the rule

In what country that is free and democratic can the authorities demand entry to it's citizens homes without a strong reason and search warrant?

You are seriously suggesting that New Zealand police can now simply turn up un-announced, demand entry to any residence and check for firearms?

Can your police come to your house and demand entry to check for illegal drugs, pedophile content on your computer, whether you beat the crap out of your wife, or illegal immigrants being housed for working in your business for peanuts?

For the first time in it's history there has been a mass extermination in New Zealand of approximately 50 innocent people.
This countries leaders have acted promptly towards preventing a reoccurrence.
The vast majority of people here agree with the decision to ban military style semi-automatic weapons.
They know and beleive there is no sane reason for a citizen to own such a weapon.
They want something to actually be done.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I have said it over and over and over again.
But here's one I get back consistently from the pro firearm lobby in the US.
"The US is completely different from Australia and New Zealand so don't tell us what to do regarding our guns laws over here".

I now repeat that back to you.
The two countries are completely different.
You and your citizens want your guns. Good luck to you.
New Zealand citizens don't. Good luck to us.

As for Petersons book being taken off the shelves here, thats the fucking do gooders at work again and political correctness gone mad.
Again.
If you think this kind of insanity is exclusive to New Zealand you are naive.
It is a toxicity that infects the world...

Because you now live in an authoritarian nation.

So if I want to have and play with viles of bubonic plague in my house because I love bacteria I should be allowed to otherwise I live in an authoritarian state?
Or so even the simplistic Bumpfire can understand, I love and collect old world war 2 armaments. The older and rustier the better. But my thing is they have to be live or it's just not realistic enough. Yeah they are a bit volatile and unpredictable, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.
If I did would you and your kids be happy living next door to me Bumpfire?
Fuck the safety of you and your family! It's my freedom and right to do so and if I'm told I can't, I live in an authoritarian state.
Or if it's something as simple as the fact I wanted to play extremely loud music all night every night that impacts people in nearby vicinity.
If you tell me turn the music down it's my freedom and rights being compromised and so I live in an authoritarian state.

Laws are necessary to balance what you can have or do that does or does not effect others.

I repeat, the vast vast majority of New Zealanders want something done to try and prevent this tragedy from happening again and are happy for semi automatic weapon to be banned.
You will never understand that.
Just like I will never understand how mass shooting after mass shooting after mass shooting happens in the US and absolutely nothing is done about it so it simply continues...

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/22/2019 @ 10:49 AM *

Until you eliminate All guns; you have done absolutely nothing to prevent a future event. I PROMISE you that person could eliminate the same amount of lives in the same amount of time with a Ruger 10-22. The decision to ban a “scary” looking firearm over another one that is every bit capable of inflicting the same damage is laughable

...or a fertilizer bomb. Kooks can kill people any number of ways. I'd rather take my chances in a rain of bullets and hope someone near the shooter is also armed. I know they often plan to not be near anyone who will defend the victims but the point is they can kill without any gun at all if they can plan to kill from a distance.

Misguided and confused individuals will never stop killing others. That shouldn't interfere with my right to own whatever gun I can legally buy. I'm just repeating what I said back on page 1 a year ago. More mass murders, still feel the same as always.

* Last updated by: Rook on 3/22/2019 @ 12:21 PM *

All good guys.
All the best to you.
Keep your guns.
Its your right.
Not sure how many times I have to say it.

But lets look at facts rather than persist in here-say of "what might" or "it could".

In 1996 firearms were banned in Australia after a major tragedy.
Almost 25 years later,
How many mass shootings and related victims since then?
None.
How many rights were lost to citizens?
One. No guns. (which most citizens were happy to comply with after the tragedy occurred)
Other rights that were taken in the name of hate?
None.
How many mass killings due to another method such as fertiliser bomb?
None.
Did crime go up because only criminals then had illegal guns.
No.
Number of crimes where guns were used?
Negligable.
Number of accidental deaths related to guns?
Negligable.
Victims in anyway related to any firearms?
Negligable.
Did law abiding citizens turn into criminals over night?
No.

Could it therefore be concluded that banning firearms was a successful venture?
In my humble opinion and from the simple facts, fucking A!!!

Now look at your country where guns are freely available as is your right in the last 25 years.
How many mass shootings and related victims?
Thousands/uncountable and continuing.
Crime where guns are involved?
Thousands, maybe millions/uncountable and continuing.
Victims in anyway related to any firearms?
Thousands, maybe millions/ uncountable and continuing.
Number of accidental deaths related to guns?
Thousands/uncountable and continuing.

Argue all you like about your opinions which is your right but these are all facts.
They are undeniable.
And facts are not up for debate.

But your you have every right to your opinions and your rights are your rights...

Buncha fuckin sheep

Even though I don't agree with Nasty, Rook and Green, they put their points across without the need for insults like most reasonable human beings would.
Its why I still respect them regardless.

It is possible Bump.
Try it.
Who knows. You may even gain yourself credibility.

You may even find the time to answer questions asked of you rather than conveniently ignoring them...

* Last updated by: yannih on 3/22/2019 @ 2:53 PM *