You are all a very worldly lot here so thought Id ask.

I'm thinking of buying a Porsche for a weekender.

Yep.
Small appendage syndrome.

2005 911 997.1 Carrera S as per below.

I know a fair bit about them (IMS bearing issues, etc) but have never owned a 911 (owned a 944 and 944 S2 Cabriolet years ago).

Any one have any experience and advice with these puppies?

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/25/2020 @ 12:24 PM *

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Get verification the IMS was updated. Also ask when the AOS air oil separator was last replaced

I have an 84 Cab foe the past 20+ yrs and several friends have the 997.

Tiptronic is basic slush box so get the 6 speed much more fun to drive.

Best advice is to take it to a known expert 997 shop and have them do the pre-purchase inspection (PPE). These cars are a challenge to work on. But are great cars, the S version is mandatory.

The big updates occurred in 2011 if your wallet can stretch that far, considered by many the best handling Porsche ever.

The 997 are great cars and I would own one, but I like the early years that I can work on and the engine trans comes out with removing 4 bolts and a floor jack.

Enjoy

edit: if it has ceramic rotors check them good, possible to toast a set on a weekend track day and they are big $$ to replace

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 7/6/2020 @ 9:05 AM *

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I can't can't speak to reliability but it would be a classy and fun way to get around. If you can't beat the bikes that want to race you, that won't do much for your perception of your appendage!

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Not one bit. Let's talk new economy or not. Nephew brings his old evo hd over for some work. Clutch drag. Pressure plate is NA. Yeah aftermarket is available, but OEM is the way to go always. So you figure this bearing is a weak point, so you begin to build your own OEM parts shelf now. OEM is still available to do the job, meaning, whatever gasket is needed, and what else is needed to complete the job? Not, I shoulda, whoulda, coulda hindsight down the road, they obsolete the parts, yes?

The old man would sell his friends cars for them and he had a 1960 for awhile. I beat the crap out of it when I took it out. Pretty bulletproof if I recall. That was the classic look. JMO, but this one is mid-penned. Meaning, I saw a first gen XKE the other day. That classic style is so ugly, the 2016 body style is to die for IMO. So it's a mid model. Too bad you don't have 168082.NZD to throw at a later used one. The better penned lines. Pretty subtle lines throughout the year I might add.

Marketing wise I don't think SAS applies. The study says, we seniors with moments of clarity, gravitate to the sportier car. I think it's mid-late '60's buyers that gravitate to the corvette. Are you close to that marketing bracket? Discretionary money at that age, so chevy's market niche is build the mid-engine and they will come.

Not that I'd buy either, but it seems I'm that market focus group in need of a SAS was it? Looking at a used porsche in the 122241.NZD range and a new mid-engine vette for 91681.NZD is a no-brainer. So what are we saying here, that year is a 100% chance this bearing goes out, or it's the luck of the draw?

Low is 38200. to a high of 44312NZD from a private seller. 45840. to 53480.NZD is from a dealer. So the bearing buster starts the bidding from 38200. on down. You're buying a time bomb more or less. Easy fix? You scored on the below price. I rated the car as 'good' not excellent, or fair, but middle aged wear and maintenance? Remember too, you start looking at dealer vs private is that overhead the private does not need; covering that higher price. Let the owner know you're not low balling his price if he is looking up how much they go for and demanding a dealer price.

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/6/2020 @ 10:23 AM *

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Thanks Crude.

Yeah, the 2009 onward 997.2's are the way to go.
The updated fuel injected engine resolved all IMS and RMS issues.
Plus other updates to the car included more hp and a major update to the interior / stereo / GPS.
Not to mention the amazing PDK gearbox.

But thats why you can get a 997.1 for around $50k+ NZ apposed to a 997.2 at around $85k+ NZ.

Substantial price difference between the two Gen's for peace of mind.
But you can get a Gen 1 and spend $3-$4k to get intermediate shaft bearing and rear main seal done if not already and you virtually resolve all known issues and then get 95% of what a Gen 2 offers.

Also the failure rate of the IMS bearing that will catastrophically destroy the engine is about 1 in 10.
Worth the gamble?
For some yes.
For others no.

And agree.
S version is a must with these...

Hub, not saying it's the smartest or most sensible decision I'll ever make at 57 years old, but the only thing I can say is I've always wanted a 911.

The 996's are the best value as their headlights and interiors are frowned upon with enthusiasts and the demand for them is much lower.
The 997.1's resolved those issues but are still at a reasonable price due to the ongoing IMS and RMS issue concerns.
But the performance of both cars is apparently very close.

I understand the maintenance is crazy but the 14R needs a high performance room mate and my Renault Koleos and the wife's Renault Clio are just not cutting it.

I'd keep both of them as every dayers and use the Porsche as a summer weekender.
I would probably hibernate the 911 over winter with the bike.

All this if I pull the pin and go ahead.
The car in the pic's is the actual car I'm looking at.

And Rook, with all the work you've put into your 14 to make it lighter and faster, well, seems you may just have the same issue as me appendage wise!

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/25/2020 @ 12:29 PM *

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My old 944 S2 Cab...

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If the 996 turbo is obtainable in NZ consider that too. A friend here that was past prez of the AZ mountian region club has two one Cab and one coupe, outstanding cars

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Agreed.
But the price shoots right up with those as well.

2002 models for approx $75k NZ with around 75,000kms.

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/6/2020 @ 11:14 AM *

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Not familiar with the maintenance of one but I drove a friend’s 2008 911 Turbo and man what a blast it was to drive. His has larger turbos, and tune so it was a bit spicier than stock.

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Overall the reliability on a modern 911 is good to very good long term with a few issues such as IMS/seal already mentioned. But, as with any high end high performance car, high purchase cost dose not equal low maintenance cost. Modern Porsche are a challenge to work on and they have a proprietary Porsche only operating system and code only a good shop has tools to interface with. Once you get past the very basics like oil and filters its hard to difficult to do simple things. Wife had a basic Cayman a few yrs back, didn't come with many service records so I decided to change the plugs. Different car/engine completely from a 911, mid- vs. rear engine, but the stuff and plastics and covers I had to remove to change the spark plugs was way too much.

Brakes are still simple racing design so they are easy to change.

Ownership on any modern Porsche car really requires a planned $2-3K in maintenance per yr

Get a verified good car and there is low risk of issues beside the yearly maintenance. I would not hesitate to get a 997 S, I just prefer the driving experience of the older air cooled cars, sounds and smells are race car like not Lexus or BMW like. After a spirited drive my garage smells like pit lane for the day

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If it's a good deal and it's just what you've wanted, buy it. Are there other cars to pick from? If so, you can wait about a year. I'm looking at homes and I let a great one go because it seemed too costly. Now they are all as expensive and even more expensive. There's got to be one that's as good as the one I passed on though. When I find it again, I'm grabbing it as long as all else works out in favor of staying here.

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Umm, yank my cam caps and install the factory cam tools from moving? Unload my cam tensioner system so I can get the bearing out = no load on the shaft? Is the wife reading over your shoulder? No? Get her over here... Mrs. Yannhi, would you grab the checkbook and hide it before he makes one of those, "I gotta have another money pit, honey' mistake.

Oh, you mean he stole it because it's about to go and it still runs? Owner agreed just to find out it's more of a profit to sell now and bail from it for a known issue? Oh, you mean it's a service interval anyway? Sealed bearing? No wonder it's covered in the garage... a fucking lit fuse.

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Yes I've already seen that clip.

And everything you say is 100% correct Hub.
It's certainly one way of looking at it.

And yet another way would be why do you ride a motorcycle, and a ZX-14R no less?

While on your bike you or an outside agency could make a serious mistake.
You could hit grease, gravel, oil or grit with substantial and grave results.
An animal could run out into your path while you are at speed.
Your bike or tyres could fail with unpleasant consequences.

And any of these could lead to serious injury or worse!

So is that particular enjoyment avenue worth the risk knowing what the extreme potential cost to you and your family might be?

You obviously think so.

Therefore considering what I am looking at, my risk would predominantly be financial for the enjoyment I seek in a German sports car.

Sometimes it doesn't need to make sense.
It may not be the most financially astute or even safest decision.

Sometimes it just is what it is.

Starting to understand Hub?

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/7/2020 @ 10:44 PM *

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Yes I've already seen that clip.

I changed careers. I wanted some auto experience so they put me in 'heavy line' and this here is more or less r&r transmissions, etc. This is a piece of cake with the right tools.

And everything you say is 100% correct Hub. It's certainly one way of looking at it.

Add your labor, the OEM rather than some aftmkt about to fail sooner, you're out again, cha-ching, I coulda had a later model without this problem or same sealed bearing in everyone still? rude?yan

And yet another way would be why do you ride a motorcycle, and a ZX-14R no less?

Because cars are for sealed bearing drivers... that's why LOL

While on your bike you or an outside agency could make a serious mistake.

Because you can't get that kind of thrill adding two more wheels.

So is that particular enjoyment avenue worth the risk knowing what the extreme potential cost to you and your family might be?

That's an assumption something is going to happen.

Therefore considering what I am looking at, my risk would predominantly be financial for the enjoyment I seek in a German sports car.

That's were we draw the line. I guess the used car guy has dribbled out of me.

Sometimes it doesn't need to make sense. It may not be the most financially astute or even safest decision.

I somewhat do see some sense to it. The want/need/driven to get something. Now that you have it, what next?

Sometimes it just is what it is.

You know anyone that would spend over 40 grand (60934nzd) on an old z1 just to hear a sound back in the day he remembers? It is what it is, I agree.

Starting to understand Hub?

You mean, waiting for the 700hp mid-vette, not this first addition 450hp? You mean, that kind of; don't really need it, but life is short, so here is sits?

And I want to see the trans on the garage floor in the next saga of 'as the seal weeps'.

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Hub

The IMS failure issue is overblown in my opinion and actually happens in a low number of engines. Problems is it is a catastrophic failure with bearing material through out the engine. Low risk, high impact cost. The aftermarket engineered solution/replacement is proven solid from companies such as LN Engineering. Porsche does not have a designed replacement IMS. If it goes you need a different $20k lump that is difficult to change yourself even with a lift, tools and knowledge. Most people bet on the come and just replace it when the clutch is toast. So ironically, the harder you drive the car and the sooner you toast the clutch the lower the risk of IMS related engine failure.

Yanni - just do it Hub is having fun with us Porsche lovers

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 7/8/2020 @ 12:54 PM *

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Yanni - just do it Hub is having fun with us Porsche lovers

Put the phone under the car in front of the trans and let me hear it idle.

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What do you call this the "Hubster Facetime PPI" ?

Yanni do a hand stand while putting you phone under the body in front of the trani so Hub can read the vibes of the floor pan and diagnose the structural modes and 7th harmonic. If the 7th harmonic is ringing dont buy - standard Porsche knowledge IMS is about to blow

Just get the 996 Turbo without the IMS issues

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 7/8/2020 @ 10:10 PM *

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Put the phone under the car in front of the trans and let me hear it idle.

Now come on Hub.
The engine could sound like the Vienna Boys Choir and you still say "No go"...

Just get the 996 Turbo without the IMS issues

Crude, completely agree but

1. I don't have GRN's green.
2. Manual versions are so rare here.

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Owner is reconsidering.
He is now thinking of keeping the car.
Pisser.

Hub, you may have your wish...

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Sucks, yan.

Get another bike!!!!!

How about a jetski?

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Not over yet Rook.
And even if this one falls through I'll still keep my eyes open for the right car and deal.
It may take some time but my advantage is I'm in no rush.

Speaking of jet skis, this is the top of the line 2018 Ski-Doo.
Its not mine but a good mate lets me use it.

Around 100km/h on the water.
Bloody fast...

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Interesting 2002 Turbo X-50 in Scottsdale AZ

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1066372-2002-996-twin-turbo-x-50-a.html

"Sorry folks, having a heck of a time downloading photos, so went backdoor. Click on Craigslist link for photos.

Will be moving so looking to decrease my carbon foot-print.
This car is awesome. Went to take pictures early this morning and the car never ceases to amaze me. 125mph in 3rd and 155 mph in 4th. Then I chickened out.

Anyways, this is not a 12k garage queen, although by looking at the underside it could be.
99k miles but fully sorted. Lines have been pinned, new rms, transmission rebuilt, hydraulic rams resealed.
This is the legendary x-50 with a 6 speed. Stickered at $137k.
Only changes is a Fabspeed exhaust and lowered with new springs. Everything works as it should on the car. Even ice cold a/c
I just had the car serviced with a oil change and replaced a torn cv boot
The carfax is clean.
I have countless pictures,walk around videos, coldstart videos. I will email to seriously interested parties after a introductory phone call.

I am asking $47,500 for this supercar. You can avoid the infamous auction websites and it's herd mentality.Not to mention you save yourself $2500 in auction fees and do some actual vetting.
Thanks for your consideration
480 241 9377
Mitch"

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 7/13/2020 @ 11:22 PM *

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Except for the interior colour, very nice Crude...

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That's right, I am a subscriber. Have been for a few years. Sorta looking?

Knock me down with a feather!

The great Hub on a costly foreign sports car forum???
Porsche no less.

Well I never!!!

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