I'm not average height, nor is the wide butt able to sit in a semi-race seat to keep you planted. I might head over to the dealer and try a seat... and sit in it for literally 20 minutes to see what the assfactor says. Had a 62 and an '80 vette. '80's seat was not comfortable.

You'd think the marketing age is the late 60's or early 70's crowd is that discretionary money, right? Why didn't the seat widen for that market? Plus, sitting and looking out at how far that nose was on the '80, maybe the C8 might not be that bad, since you're a little bit up front more with a shorter nose. That's what I remember about cars going thru my hands.

Walked into the dealership. A few porsches outside, two [used] when I walked on the floor. 2018 GT w/wing, 9k (14484.km) on the clock. Guy mentions a non-turbo and 'inline 4.' We started with me saying flat 6 and then admits he does not know. Then I ask why such low miles on these cars? He says that the porsche crowd are passionate and change up because they can, keep up with their friends, etc. I said where are the 2021? He says they are sold out.

So I said, you guys have to wipe this car down I go sit in it, right? He says yes. I wasn't going to go that far just for a little entertainment of sitting in it for 20 minutes. Sit in traffic with that seat and leg room, I don't know?

I'm telling him about the back and forth going on with the vette. With me making comment about these guys thrashing the cars and trading them in, I point out how the front disc is getting dished [breaks in and says, 'I see that'] and I point that out about that there is shit beating with that kind of low mileage... in so many words. Then asked about the cam tensioner in so many hours and I did not mention that specifically. He was not savvy on the product so I let that go when he brought up the warranty and mileage window it covers.

So I bring up trackday and he starts telling me how this is the better handler than any car for performance, and as he's saying that, he looks at the gap at the door to windshield and says, 'it's wrapped too.' Then I say 'more weight added?' He chuckles. I don't know if this car has a brake-bias-option, but the rear discs more looked hardly worn for the mileage... more the way the front should have looked if granny was the owner.

So I see the sticker of 189 US and I said I'd have to come back and get the kbb price, 'unless you want to make a screaming deal now?' That perked him up and he said, 'how much you offering?' So I come home, punch in 2018 and every porsche had a turbo but this car. KBB rang the bell at 192. A low of 160. For that kind of money I can buy 2 brand new vettes.

It was a stunning body line. Some years they hit on the mark, others they fucked up the rear or front end. This one is a keeper. So for the green to stop bleeding, it's for sure a lease for me. Pay full price and sell it in 3 years and have that cam about to be hour'd out from trackdays? I don't think so.

There is no way I'd pay over a hundred grand for a car to begin with. Not when I can 'wrap glass around my ass' for much less.

Yeah, looked at a beautiful beater today, yannhi, you, you, almost had me at hello!

85K US (est). A lease and live with it for 3 years? Save say 30k on the bleed? A 45-50k E-ticket ride in the cheap seats? Not impressed with the body style... too camaro-ish. But a 1000 hp might open the pocketbook... naaaaaaa!

Got 2 settlements, one for 82, the other for 25. Gave 40 to my sister. 10k for her dog's operation, another 30k and change to pay off her debt and don't pay me back I told her. I have 67 to play with. Pull a little from savings, I'm sitting on a 20k car, right?

Then I'd be scared to have it serviced by a dealer and be driven, parked, add patina dings, over tightened hardware... I don't think so.

https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/corvette-z06

You are a good man looking after your sister like that Hub...

Yeah, looked at a beautiful beater today, yannhi, you, you, almost had me at hello!

I don't think so and I'll tell you why.
There are 2 types of Porsche owners.

Guy that can afford them, and guys that can't.

The guys that can afford them just buy whatever model they want and upgrade whenever the desire takes them (rich buggers).
The guys that can't have to find a way to scrounge up enough cash to buy a more basic older model and worry about the inevitable maintenance costs when they arrive, usually resulting in an decent impact to the finances (me).

But both these types of Porsche owners have one thing in common.
They are passionate to own that brand of motor vehicle.

I don't see that Porsche passion in you Hub.
I see a guy who wants to know what all the fuss is about, the detailed spec's of whats on offer, and the value price wise compared with other brands of car.
And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.
But there doesn't seem to be that "I have to have one of these" in you.

Just my 2 cents worth.

You looked at a 2018 991.2 model.
Brilliant but expensive.
Have you considered checking out something like a 2010 997.2?
Still brilliant but much more affordable.

But the fact that we have the great Hub even looking at Porsches is a big win!!!

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/7/2021 @ 1:00 AM *

Thanks, yannih.

I don't see that Porsche passion in you Hub.

I think you hit it on the nail. I am not loyal to any brand, 2 or 4 wheels. They are like the women of the world. I'll bed one of each if I could. And just for grins, I checked out your choice of years and models. Right now, the cuts in the hood is walk away from the 2022... if you can find one. The ducting is too pedestrian. It has to have zip for any cut lines or it's not a porsche. How am I doing so far, keeping with tradition? When I walk in the garage, I want to open the door and say, 'there you are.' The complete package if you will. Anything but this one.
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/6089eddb58ecb87005cda443/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

Where I think you might agree that the smooth hood and the ducting looks more mean in stance on the one I looked at.
For me that is, this puppy tells me it's more desirable body wise than the others. But then again, the refinements like a 'busa redo' of the same old name, I rather not pass that up and can ignore the body... put a bag over my head and get in. I'll just go back in a week and see if it's still on the floor. No rush.
https://atcimages.kbb.com/borderscaler/800/600/2d363e/hn/c/2f6026628ff047d48922d3541efbc773.jpg

There's a guy making I don't know what kind of electronic product, but he's got the upper floor full of duc's and all sorts of classic bikes. He's got a turbo porsche and I forget what year it was, but I asked if it had any problems, and he said not a one; with over 100,000 miles (160934.4km) on it. I may have asked him about 3-4 years ago actually, so I've been thinking of one for that long as you can see... a hint of interest.. this side of passion.

Personally, I see no point chasing any other car than a porsche or vette. Long time ago, my mother brought up a conversation of me losing the vette in a crash. She said I switched to bikes from that day on... said it changed me. Funny, I vaguely remember that? Had vans and trucks ever since for hauling bikes. Had a midlife crisis and bought that 80 vette... I could afford at the time. Now it feels like another 'itch' at this age.

My niece can spot an AMG way down the road. We come up to it and there is the badge. I ask about another car, and she's like a brochure with the cars. So her dad kind of brought her along for the leases they'd go thru. Figure she could give me the best plan, since I'm pissing away her inheritance. Die broke I say.

The guys that can't find a way to scrounge up enough cash to buy a more basic older model and worry about the inevitable maintenance cost when they arrive, usually resulting in an decent impact to the finances (me).

If I can convince Chrly for a few pints of transfusion and snatch that reflex DNA in the mix, I think a leased vette is more where the settlement money can sit and park at some dealer for a '23 and lock one in. Maybe I'll call a dealer and see if there's a waiting list.

See what you started, yannih, you, you, itch'er you!

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/7/2021 @ 9:01 PM *

The '02 to '04-05 turbo is still the best bang for your buck. Im sure Hub could do most of the work on a modern Porsche the big DYI issue is the proprietary SW and tools no one wants to buy for a one time clutch job.

95-98 are the last air cooled and you drop the engine with a floor jack and remove 4 bolts- These are pricey now thats why the 02-03 Turbos are still teh best performance deal going

95-98 are the last air cooled

These are pricey now

You are not wrong there crude.
What the heck is going on with the 993's?
The prices here are through the roof!
Beautiful car but value doesn't come into the picture...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36352258/chevrolet-corvette-z06-launch-control-video/

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/03/corvette-e-ray-in-line-to-receive-two-electric-motors/

I'm about to signup for a few laps and rent a beater. Inquiry sent.

https://www.porschedriving.com/contact?venue=losangeles

Nice

Just checking it out from the 917 Restaurant is fun, which in itself is a great place to eat. I didn't drive any toys there, I was worried I would impulse buy something. You will appreciate the restoration center too. I sort of used to know one of the instructors there, but not anymore. Check out if Jack Olsen, a real Porsche expert and driver is available - IDK if he is.

Great fun to have Hub

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale-dealer/1084881-2003-turbo-coupe-slate-grey-black-natural-grey-x50-pccbs-26-700-miles.html

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale-dealer/1089745-2001-porsche-911-turbo-coupe-6-speed-less-than-20k-miles.html

Thanks, crude. I was about to take a drive there and bring my helmet just for grins. That was one of the questions. How busy can it be during the week for a walk-in? A date on a calendar? Opens 7:30 in the morning. Like get a jog in before work, kind of busy with the 6-7 figure crowd?

I didn't know how many body styles turned me off throughout the years. Yannih's body style I could live with. When I hit porsche on pelican, see the years and body styles, the 918 caught my eye.

https://www.edmunds.com/porsche/918-spyder/2015/vin/WP0CA2A10FS800257/?radius=6000

WTF!!!

Who knew these cars can go this high? I thought the top end of this car was about 300 grand tops? That's how little I know about cars.

Yesterday I watched Jay and this car. A mill one gets you on the waiting list. I'm sure it would run rings around the 918 for less. Only way I get one of these cars is if I borrow the money from Grn...

... I'm out. Out of two settlements, 80 was one 25 was the other. 105 - dog/debt - 40 = 65 + 6 IRA/Roth = 71 + pull 14 from savings = 85... for a new flat-8... leased [costing less than 85k, right?], and I get to return the bucket and check that off the itch list. The wallet has spoken. Under warranty, the field fix is on them. They have freelance spies at trackdays? I know HD wants to find independent shops exploiting the logo, pays for someone to drop a dime on them. I met one of those guys.

Worth listening to. From turbo lag to the breakdown of the gas used to no trans. I'll take the one they didn't drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhB9Yx0hyY

I think its appoints cause they have to have a car and instructor ready. I know you need an appointment just to wander around and buy an expensive shirt you dont need. Maybe start with dinner or lunch at 917 when they have the skid pad going on? They also have the outdoor snack bar for a Schnitzel and a Becks

About all the Q&A's say on the website say nothing about having an appointment to buy an overpriced T-shirt. They did have a 30-60-90 minute scheduling program. 30 is not enough, and 90 says I'm not in shape. 60 is more like it. To rent one for the experience is about where I'm headed.

Just got off the phone with a dealer. The sales guy went to the dealer only show so he knew about the flat-8 and said people are waiting to see what other options that come with it. So no one inked a '22 yet. Right off he says, 'we have a 20k markup from sticker.' So when I asked how much is the flat, he said 62k was msrp. We were going back and forth with any leftovers so don't quote me on what year he was thinking of. Article say 85k, he is saying 62.

So I mention how tight the seats are and asked if they are the same sporty style? He says it hugs you, yes. He sat in the C8. I then asked how much he weighs and he says 150lbs. Even if I toss 40lbs off I'd still fit tight. Well, it was nice getting this out of my system, but I think I'm not a real car guy with an itch.

Overpay for a car that depreciates that much from sticker, and how many bikes can I fit in the garage for that kind of money? Shows me I'm not in use is guys league for one. About a bucket list ride with a stimulus check is about my wallet size. Thanks, guys. I'm a bike guy all the way. 4 wheels are used to get the groceries from point A to point B and then it sits. This was a good reality check for me. Thanks, guys. Enjoy those extra wheels.

4 wheels are used to get the groceries from point A to point B and then it sits.

You'd think the wrap material industry would catch on to this and bubble wrap my GT4...Golf ball my Track car ass I yell "(((4)))"... get out the way~ yeah, I'll take one of these... Wrapped.

Hub, again stay away from those Cayman's and get into the 911's!

* Last updated by: yannih on 6/19/2021 @ 4:26 AM *

Fucking tree hugger types... https://www.motorious.com/articles/news/california-bans-porsche-911-gt3/

And yet locally built Harley Davidson's motorcycle exhaust tones are not a problem and just fine?

What is happening over there???

You can say whatever you like about Australia and New Zealand but they would never get away with such nonsense here...

Crazy--manual is ok but not stick!

Our winter Hub.

Put to bed with a trickle charger...

Of all the models, 'Dusty' took my heart away. If I had your money, yann, I'd buy the untitled and his Rolex, park it in the living room. Pop the gas cap every once and awhile, take a sniff of that dry residual air, then clang the quart panel with my glass, taking a sip of some 150 yr old Reme... Cheers.

Grab a beer... The trivia is about to start...

If I had your money, yann,

But if you ever get over here we'll go for a spin or two on the bikes and then you can drive the 911 (look up Glenorchy-Queenstown Road). Hopefully it will inspire you to get into one of these back home.
Then we'll toast the machines with Victoria Bitter and Tullocks port afterwards in the Man Cave (garage where no females are allowed).

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/11/2021 @ 1:27 AM *

I just watched a little documentary about the history of the Porsche. The technology started with the VW Beetle! Porsche had to call their car the the 911 because some other company filed suit for calling any car a three digit number with zero in the middle on the grounds it was too similar to the name of the car they made. I think that was Mercedes.

Nah Rook.
It was Peugeot.

Porsche wanted to call their model the 901, but Peugeot claimed to own all designated "0" model names.

So Porsche changed their model name from 901 to the iconic 911...

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/11/2021 @ 4:16 AM *