The 996 had IMS issues, most still around either have been fixed with the new seal or they aint gonna fail at this point in their reliability bathtub curve.

2005 to 2010 they are much improves and min failures and 2011 and on back to bullet proof.

Wise man says "I see GTS in your future"

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After watching Tony locking the crank from moving, someone else pulling the engine for a clutch change, this car is looking a lot easier to work on than the fear I had about all the special tools needed, and it doesn't look like many if you want to split it down to the cases.

How can I say this? Sitting in that 2008 was like putting my helmet on, but over my body... was like/as if my right elbow could rest on the right door... was like an enclosed go-cart with the steering wheel set to the left.

Wise man says "I see GTS in your future"
That's what I EAR. The hunt for a private sale. Work h/er ear off saying, it's sitting here 20 days no bites, Ear I am, Ear we go, do we deal or I'm out of Ear. Mechanically, I'm at ease. Now for the model chase. Just like the bike, busy hands and feet.

So what year am I looking at for a non-turbo [weight], 6-speed, low miler. Fill in 9's other numbers please, so I can chase what?
So far the collection is a 911-GTS-6-sp-9?? Thanks.

And I would think this is going to be a year to year window I could look thru? Don't know if you kept up with the current models, but was that a switch-which? Both gearshift and steering wheel paddles? That GTS? Naaa, I'm back to less weight, less wire looms, less jobbers for it, less turbo hardware for HP, less upgrades added is less weight.. is the chase.

Does this GTS model even exist?

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Nothing on craigslist. I'm in no rush. Hunting for a guitar all over again. Enjoyed chase, the self education looking at all those overpriced piles and then that one came along. Played a little last night and hardly goes out of tune. There's a Porsche with my name on it... Let me show you the card minus the D. https://img.picturequotes.com/2/20/19446/all-things-come-to-those-who-wait-quote-1.jpg

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I believe after 2010 the 911 model changed to 991. And I think recently they upped it to a 991.2 or some such shit, I cant keep track anymore.

Many very experienced P car owners have said the 2011 and on are the best handling non-special (GT3, GT3 RS P cars cars ever). I would want a stick too but after driving a PDK car it may change your thinking as I hear they are that good.

The best advice is to get an independent pre-purchase inspection by an expert like Tony Callas in Torrance or TRE Motorsports in the Northridge area Or Rob at Dutch Treat in Lawndale. Callas is the man and factory trained to support PNA racing teams.

If you find a good one in AZ I can deliver

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Deliver me a bearing needing replacing too soon... no thanks... I know how you 14'er's ride. Thanks, anyway. I'll take a ride and pick their brain.

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BTW, only eat once a day now. Letting the fat starve so it eats itself. Lost 10. All for that fucking seat fit.

Most impressive.
Lose another 20 and you may just get into that back seat as well!

So what year am I looking at for a non-turbo [weight], 6-speed, low miler. Fill in 9's other numbers please, so I can chase what?

Rule No. 1 Make sure you get an "S" model. ie Carrera S rather than the standard Carrera (3.6 v 3.8 engines) if you go that way.
Rule No. 2 No Cabriolets / Convertibles / Targa's. Coupes only. You want to retain the amazing lines of the car. Especially on the rear quarters.
Okay.
911 997.2 (Gen 2) 2009-2011
Brilliant and without IMS / RMS issues.
911 991.1 or 991.2 (Both Generations) 2011-2018
Brilliant. However starting to get more difficult for DIY basic maintenance (check out whats involved to change the air filter).
911 992 2019 -
Current model with latest technology. Big bucks to buy but you're getting the latest 911 available.
Also, as mentioned in a previous post, check out what options the car comes with. (can make a big difference).
If you buy new, you choose according to your wallet.
Now if you are looking at any of the above in Turbo, GT2, GT3, or RS versions, you can't lose regardless (but get ready to pay)...

Sounds like you just might be getting serious Hub.

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Thanks for the info, yanni.
Called the niece because she's a car hound. Can spot a model blocks away. So I goofed and asked if they have any room in the garage, I enticed them to leave the keys on the carrot stick anytime they want. So everyone is yelling in the background, get a nissan z, or the gtr, or the honda nsx. All the porsche models, sure, the 911 line for her, not that well versed ... I can see why. But she's ready to sit at the desk and negotiate for me. They know all that crap about what the dealers pull.

What I really want to do is talk to the bookkeepers at the independents-crude mentioned. They know the numbers and that means failures. More or less a real world [out in the] field and see the x-ray charts of the product.

... Coupes only. You want to retain the amazing lines of the car.

You bet. Between the year range, I'll know it when I see it.

Probably you both know this one. Ran across someone retrofit a solid bearing style with an oil feed off the oil pump filter housing. How durable that is v. the more serviceable IMS interval, I don't know? It's more a pull a chain sprocket with the serpentine off and check that way at the crank pulley.

As race oriented as porsche say they arem you'd think they'd have it all laid out design wise for the quick fix and back on the track. And that is emission/ex/wet plumbing, all built-in or hand me the drawing board. I'm sure they'll let me take a peek under the chassis and get a gist of what I'm in for.

Thanks again, yanni

Crude, a thank you as well, but...
All you have to show owing a few are just basic services? A never failed IMS with how many miles? You know the boys at the center, now the independents. You get around.

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Daddy, tesla does the same thing. The guy that buys crashed/flood damaged cars and gets them up and running again? The model came with some upgrade and tesla told him to pay for it. Something like that. Because that's the future in the courts. Same goes for the famers and those computer tractors. Thousands to haul it to a dealer, thousands on the return. That's the farmers dilemma not having access to the black box... AKA Cha-Ching in the dealer survival game.

Welcome to the computer courts.

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Ran across someone retrofit a solid bearing style with an oil feed off the oil pump filter housing.

Correct.
They were specifically designed for the issue and are very good at completely solving the problem.
Even a simple replacement to a stronger matching bearing will do the trick.

There is no doubt Porsche really dropped the ball on this one.
If you happen to decide on any 911 996 Carrera or a 911 997 Gen 1 Carrera (like mine) it's a must to replace the IMS bearing.
The approximate fail rate between 1998 and 2008 on these cars varied from between 1 in 10 for some early variants to 1 in 100 on other later versions but there is no doubt any design issue on a prestige sports car is unacceptable.
Problem is even at 1 in 100, if it happened to you, your engine became nothing more than a boat anchor.
Also many experts say if an unchanged IMS bearing on these cars hasn't failed by now it will not in the future.
Some subscribe to this. Some don't.

But either way,

Stay away from 1998-2008 Carrera's with unchanged IMS bearings
or
Change the IMS bearings on them

and you will be fine.

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When I hear Vett Vett I think plastic intake manifold and plastic bodies

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This wouldn't work as well for kiwi yannih, but for anybody else looking for a Porsche (or just about any other high end / collector / performance vehicle), the Bring a Trailer auction site seems very good:

2018 7k-mi Porsche 911 GT3 Touring https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2018-porsche-gt3-touring-16/ currently $196k with ~1.5 hours to go.

Original-Owner 7k-mi 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-porsche-911-carrera-gts-6/ currently $100k with ~2 hours to go.

2019 10k-mi Porsche 911 GT3 RS Weissach https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2019-porsche-911-gt3-7/ currently $220k with 6 days to go.

... and many more running currently, and coming up all the time.

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 8/19/2021 @ 11:18 AM *

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Anyway, Yannih, like you I took the plunge into sports cars, just over a year ago. I had started feeling like at age 52, and not feeling as invincible anymore, that maybe riding motorcycles wasn't so smart to keep doing, so thought maybe a sports car would scratch the itch. So what started as "just looking" got more and more, and I started realizing I just couldn't stand the thought of dumping money into something like a Vette that would depreciate, so I ended with this:

1-owner 2005 and the guy bought it purely for investment cuz Carroll Shelby told him he should since he thought they'd go up. Kept it covered in his garage and only drove it every now and then around his neighborhood's 1-mi loop, so it had 207 miles on it when I bought it 7/29/20. Still had the windshield assembly line decals, delivery plastic covers on the seats, steering wheel and door sills, delivery hang tags in place, and still smells like new leather. That guy had some serious will power!

All that said, I still have the big ZX, and just rode with my buds a couple weekends ago ... so my plan to switch to cars hasn't really panned out

Subway run:

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 8/19/2021 @ 2:04 PM *

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Jeez extrapolator, every time I post something I own you trump me by a factor of 10!!!
First the Cobalt, now this.

Wow!!!!!!!!!
Damn, what an incredible machine!
Again I am extremely jealous mate.

If I lived in the States I'd be your best friend!

If you can a couple of pics of the interior please.

All that said, I still have the big ZX

Agreed.
No matter what new interests I get into, unless I buy a new replacement I will never let my 14R go.

What it all comes down to with bikes, cars, or anything else for that matter, is each unto their own.
Whether you choose a $100 or $100,000 model, or whether you choose a plastic or titanium model, if it makes you happy thats all that matters.

Anyone consistently bad mouthing a personal choice is just a waste of oxygen...

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I love my 911 but look at the comparison.
Only one winner here.
Hub, maybe a change in direction?

* Last updated by: yannih on 8/19/2021 @ 2:01 PM *

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Yannih - Only posted to share like-minded interests .. cars n boats ... and bikes

I've never even sat in a Porsche, much less driven one, not that I haven't wanted to, just hasn't happened, yet! All I read is positive. Seem to be essentially perfect cars

And HEY ... you have those awesome show-capped mountains in the background, which we Floridians ain't got! Instead we have ... coronavirus

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 8/19/2021 @ 2:50 PM *

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wtf extra now Hub has to get the McLaren

just fng jealous bud very nice

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And HEY ... you have those awesome show-capped mountains in the background, which we Floridians ain't got!

What?
Don't tell me I have something you don't???
Unless of course you have a couple of holiday houses in Aspen!!!

* Last updated by: yannih on 8/19/2021 @ 3:06 PM *

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Yannih - Views like that are one of the reasons I love NZ

Can't tell where your Porsche pic was taken, Queenstown GC? Arrowtown??

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Don't seem to have any great interior shots, so here's what I have. Day of purchase:

Seats:

Sorta an interior shot .. interior from the exterior ... and interior where she lives:

A good interior pic of another one, though:

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 8/19/2021 @ 3:54 PM *

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Can't tell where your Porsche pic was taken, Queenstown GC? Arrowtown??

I am very impressed extra!
Have you been here before?

I play quite a bit at Queenstown GC, Jacks Point GC, a little at The Hills GC but not so much Arrowtown GC.
But the pic was actually taken at Millbrook Resort where I also play a lot.

If you get here and you're a golfer, Jacks Point is an absolute must.

Here's a shot from Jack's that you don't see everyday.
The boys made me post it...

Tree Backwards Shot

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No, I haven't been to QT, but several times now talking with my Oxford friends we're talking about touring the south end of the South Island next time I'm there ... whenever the hell that might be able to be??!?!?!?!? Last time, you might remember, was the north end of the South Island: Nelson / Tahuna Beach .. that was a lotta fun.

Anyway, since we've talked about so much, like I do elsewhere I look into the place before going to get familiar Plus .. I frickin LOVE golf ... AND .. your backwards shot was frickin amazing! That is no easy feat!

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Well extra, you get here you let me know.
We will organise the Queenstown side of things...

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I love my 911 but look at the comparison.
Only one winner here.
Hub, maybe a change in direction?

And the winner is the plastic wrap. That stays on there, that gavel will not even make a sound when it comes down on a bunch of these $$$$$$.

Better known as a garage queen/caretaker car. About 3 cat soldiers living in the garage. A canopy so no material is scratching the paint. Battery out [saved]. Spark plug holes filled with oil. Trans topped off to the ceiling as is the engine block. All that exposed gear/metal and condensation mixed?

Plus, Plastic will be known around the GT world years from now. Oh wait... did you pull all that off and drove it? Oh well, you got one of them itch cars then. I too have the itch, but one I can afford, not one I'll go broke and look at my bank-garage choice?

No doubt there are two stunning lines there, but for sure, Plastic will command more money than all the ferrari's/porsche/lambo, cough, high production cars... but, this here be the keeper. Brilliant call, extra.

Say you are driving it. Sure, burn out the OE battery and eat the core; then save the worn out OE tires, because you never know about anal and his money looking for matching numbers an shit. And the first two things of OE are the tires and battery. Hard to find the OE made specific and all that one-off compound and tire code numbers.

Did a little judging and had to follow the points grading. So when a few show up in the same class, they go neck and neck, I have to drop points on one of the bikes. First easy chase is the OE tires. Boom, you're out of here. There is your car dropping in point($)... for the other guy/next caretaker.

You enter that car in say, 'unrestored' you come home with the class trophy. You hang around and wait for 'people's choice.' There's another shot. I'm more that kind of caretaker. I don't here the counter offer because the OE tires and battery are not there, this missing or that. Those are your next buyers I would gather.

Patina wise, it would never hit the road and give me a paint chip, hang in the public arena and walk away from it. It's the severe jealous types/clowns you're up against in a free world. I can play both games buying a car like this. What I would do with this car is punch a hole in the wall and park it in the living room. Yep, no cats needed. So going in on this specific car? I'd gladly follow the one owner and his wishes are my same wishes... IF .... we are talking about extra's specific GT.

It's right now, a 100 point car... if... Plastic is still wrapped. If that is there 20/30 years from now, who knows what that will command, but it will be fat none the less.

Congrats, extra.

Edit:
Not sure, but say those kind of lights in the garage might discolor the finish?

And that's how anal I am and it's not even my car.

Signed,

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Lines I can live with. 8k US

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-saturn-sky-13/

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Hub! You're a wild poet, my man, and I think you nailed it all exactly right All the same thoughts and concerns as me.

Plastics are indeed OFF .. but kept in files so can be re-applied some day Also got new tires on it, but you can see the originals behind the car there.

I've put 132 miles on it, but who's counting And I've been watching GT sales closely for over a year, and in my mind there seems to be groups of valuations, as follows, just my own observation: 0-250 miles, 250-500 miles, 500-1000, etc. Believe it or not, the 500-1000 seems to be the highest valuations. I suspect it's cuz buyers think the car is still likely to be perfect but hopefully has been driven just enough to keep the mechanicals good. Some owners actually drive theirs with the windshield assembly line decals still on

But I will say, this plan kinda got away from me. I wanted a car that had a chance at appreciating, which this one does ... but it also has ... to the extent that I'm probably only going to be willing to drive it a couple hundred more miles, if that, don't want a single nick on it, or fingerprint! ... and so I'll probably sell it within a year, maybe sooner. It's also a freak show when out and about. Other drivers follow and stare. When I get out people assume I have time and the desire to stand and chat about it (sometimes yes, some no). I like cool bikes / cars / boats because *I* like em, to drive em, look at em, think about em, own em, not for attention! Ha, all this observation in only 132 miles! I never wanted to be a caretaker overseer sentry for a super nice car that sits in isolation.

So, I now think that if you're wanting a car to actually enjoy driving, vs looking at, you want something else, or maybe one of these with some mileage (which are very hard to find cuz the rare owners that do actually drive them, don't wanna sell em! They wanna keep driving em! And the appreciation is lower too. So now in hindsight I realize, if you get a cool car, but one that depreciates like normal, well then you might as well drive it, cuz it's gonna depreciate either way!

Oh ... car stays covered under a car cover too, so hopefully the fluorescents don't discolor it! but I don't think fluorescents are a concern at a distance.

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